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Lineages and Results of Y-DNA Testing for STRAUB, TRAUB, STRAUBE, STROOP, STRUB,
and Variations, especially STROUP, STROUPE, TROUP, TROUPE, etc.
Haplogroup I2
Results
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Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
(number tested at FTDNA + number tested elsewhere / number of different progenitors)
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E (1 / 1)  I1  (4 / 3) I1-L592 (31 / 1)  I2  (12 / 6) J2 (5 / 2) R1a (2 / 1) R1b (25 / 19) T (1 / 1)

Haplogroup I is found almost exclusively in Europe where it is represented in about 20% of the population, making it the second most common haplogroup in western Europe, after R1b.  Overall, Hg I has a broad European distribution, from the British Isles east to the Ural Mountains of Russia and south to Anatolia and the Mediterranean Sea.  Hg I is divided into two main subclades (groups):  I1, which is the most common form of Hg I in northwestern Europe, and I2, which is the most common form of Hg I in eastern Europe.  In terms of frequency, subclade I2 is much less common than I1. 
It's difficult to generalize about I2 because it contains a number of geographically separate subgroups.  The two main divisions of I2 are I2a and I2b.  Some varieties of I2a are concentrated in the Balkans and are called "Dinaric" (named for a mountain range there, the Dinaric Alps), while others are found around the Baltic and North Sea coastal areas, another in the British Isles, and another in Sardinia and Iberia.  One subgroup of I2b, called "Isles," is almost exclusive to the British Isles, with a high concentration in Scotland, while the main subgroup of I2b, dubbed "Continental," is most common in northwestern Europe, southern Scandinavia, and Britain. 
So far, we have twelve members who are some form of Haplogroup I2.
ISOGG
Haplogroup
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I2a I-P37.2 1 STROPE Johannes STRAUB (1682/3- ) 1710 immigrant to New York  1
STROUP William STROUP (c1820s-c1870s) Jefferson Co., NY > IL > MN 2
I2a2 I-M423 2 STROUP Michael STROUP (c1730s-1797) of DEU? MD? > Huntingdon Co., PA 1
STROUP Jacob STROUP (1815/6-1860s) PA > Grant Co., IN 2
 
I2b1 I-M223 6 STROOP Michael STROUP / STROOP (c1780s-1840s) Alsace > MD > OH > IN 1
I2b1a I-M284 3 STROUP George STROUP (1854-1917) of Oneida Co., NY > NE > KS 1
I2b1c I-P78 4 STRAUB Henry STRAUB of Northumberland Co., PA 1
I2a2 I-L38
(deduced)
5 STRAUB Theobald / Dewald STRAUB of Carbon Co., PA 1
STROUP Peter STROUP of Perry Co., PA 1
STRAUB Friedrich Wilhelm STRAUB (1790-1849) Hesse to St. Louis, MO 1

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Deme 1
I2-P37.2
To view lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit# Most
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Tested
  Panel 1 Standard Markers 1-12   Panel 2 Standard Markers 13-25   Panel 3 Standard Markers 26-37   Panel 4 Standard Markers 38-67   Panel 5 Standard Markers 68-111   Known Lineage
STR PP3 PP5 MP6 MP7 MP8 MP9 [mixed] MP10 [EA] MP11 [SMGF] MP12 [all new] MP13 [mixed]
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I2-P37.2 Modal Values   13 24 15 10 12 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 20 29 12 14 14 15   10 10 21 21 14 12 18 18 34 35 12 10   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 11  9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 8 10 22 20 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 11   31 14 8 15 11 27 27 19 12 11 11 12 11 9 12 11 10 11 12 31 11 12 22 15 11 10 22 15 18 11 25 16 11 14 23 12 21 18 12 15 17 9 11 11    
                                         
STROPE 250606     13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 36 12  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11                                                                                             Pvt10, Pvt9, Earl David8, LaFayette7, Ezra6, Henry5, Isaac4, Johannes3, Joh. Henrich2, Johannes1 STRAUB Palatinate to NY in 1711
STROUP 345432 P-37.2   13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 35 11  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11   34 14 8 15 11 28 28 19 12 11 11 12 11 9 13 11 10 11 12 31 11 11 24 14 11 11 22 15 19 10 24 16 11 14 23 12 21 19 12 15 17 9 11 11   Pvt5, Pvt4, Clarence Charles3, Eben Edwin2, William1 STROUP (c1820s-c1870s) of Jefferson Co., NY > IL > MN
STROUP 413960     13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 35 11  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11                                                                                             Pvt6, Pvt5,
Our subjects have an uncommon haplotype.  They match no one else, except each other, at any level.  It is extremely likely the two descendants of William also descend from or at least share a near common ancestor with Johannes STRAUB, Palatine immigrant to New York in 1711, some of whose descendants converted to STROUP, while most converted to STROPE.  This family has an interesting history, which has been compiled by descendant, Bonita Elaine STROPE, in her book,The Strope Family from Germany to America.
#345432 received a gratis backbone SNP test (P37.2+) from FTDNA to determine the haplogroup for this rare haplotype.
           

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Deme 2
I2a2 = I-M423 Dinaric-S Cluster
The haplotype of these individuals most resembles the modal haplotypes of the Dinaric varieties of I2a2 found most frequently in Germany, eastern Europe, and the Balkans.  The region of the Dinaric Alps (a mountain chain in southeastern Europe spanning Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro, and Albania) is believed to have been the refugium for this population during the last glacial maximum, hence its name, "Dinaric."
To view lineages, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
Code
Haplotype as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
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Eastern European I2 UZY58 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 13 13 11 31 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 20 32 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 17 18 34 35 11 10                                                             As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Scandinavian Project Admin (12 Jul 2007).
M423-DinS modals   13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 13 13 11 31 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12         11 10 11 8 15 15 7 12 10 8 11 9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 7 10 30 21 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 9 As per Nordtvedt (6 May 2009); markers in orange characteristic of Dinaric-S.
               
STROUP 92668 VQ3AU 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15                                                                                     Pvt8, Pvt7, Nelson Walter6, Charles Nelson5, Isaac William4, Joseph3, Anthony2, (Adam?) Michael1 MD to PA
STROUP 155580   13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 18 17 34 35 11 10                                                             Pvt6, Pvt5, Charles Edward4, Jacob Ulysses3, James Polk2, Jacob1 PA to Grant Co., IN
STROUP 117164 9DUJU 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 18 17 34 35 11 10 11 8 15 15 7 12 10 8 11 9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 7 10 32 21 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 9 Pvt6, Pvt5, Carey Daniel4, Jacob Ulysses3, James Polk2, Jacob1 PA to Grant Co., IN
The match between #92668 and the other two came as a surprise given that a paper connection to them is unknown.  At 12 markers, they have a dozen or so full matches (in other surnames) in the FTDNA database; and at 25 markers, they have a few near matches (in German and Slavic surnames) in the Ysearch database, but no full matches.  Their haplotype remains unique at 25 markers.
#117164 is a strong match with 67-marker modal haplotype of Nordtvedt's "Dinaric-S" variety of M423 (= I2a2).
#117164 has undergone deep SNP testing, and his results are:
P37+ M423+ M26- P41.2- L161- 
The positive result for P37.2 proves he is I2a, and the positive result for M423 proves he is I2a2.  The negative result for M26 redundantly rules out 12a1, and the negative results for P41.2 and L161 rule out these subclades of I2a2.
#92668 has tested positive for P37.
Under FamilyTreeDNA's "Haplogroup Assurance" program, #92668 has been given a complementary backbone SNP test showing he is positive for P37.2.  He was not tested for any downstream SNPs, but his results should be the same as #117164, so I do not recommend this individual be deep SNP tested.  I do recommend he upgrade to 67 markers.
   

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Deme 6
I2b1 = I2a2a = I2-M223 Continental-2b
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Genetic Distance
(per panel)
Surname Kit# FF Most
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Positive
SNP
Actually
Tested
Ysearch
UserID
  Panel 1 Standard Markers 1-12   Panel 2 Standard Markers 13-25   Panel 3 Standard Markers 26-37   Panel 4 Standard Markers 38-67   Panel 5 Standard Markers 68-111   Known Lineage
STR PP3 PP5 MP6 MP7 MP8 MP9 [mixed] MP10 [EA] MP11 [SMGF] MP12 [all new] MP13 [mixed]
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5 0 2 5 21 I2-M223 Modal Values     15 23 15 10 15 15 11 13 11 13 12 29   15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 14 15   11 10 19 21 14 14 17 18 34 38 12 10   11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 14 25 20 10 13 12 13 11 12 12 11   29 14 8 15 11 23 27 19 11 11 12 11 11 9 11 11 10 11 12 31 10 13 22 14 11 10 20 15 22 11 24 14 11 14 25 12 19 18 12 14 17 9 12 11    
0 0 0 0  0 Continental-2b Modal Values     14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 14 12 32   15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 14 15   11 10 19 21 15 14 17 18 34 39 12 10   11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 12 12 12 14 9 14 26 20 11 13 12 12 11 12 12 11   31 13 8 15 11 24 27 16 12 11 12 11 12 9 12 11 10 11 12 32 10 12 22 13 11 10 20 15 22  9 23 14 13 14 27 12 21 18 12 15 17 9 12 11    
                                               
5 3 3     STROOP 413463   PF6896     14 21 15 10 13 16 11 13 11 14 12 33   16 8  9 11 11 25 14 20 27 14 14 14 15   10 10 19 21 16 15 17 18 34 39 12 10                                                                                                                                                           Pvt5, Pvt4, David Vincent3, Moses S.2 STROOP, Michael1 STROUP (c1780s-1840s) of Alsace > Switzerland > MD > OH > Miami Co., IN
Genetic Distances are from the Continental-2b modals.
Our subject has no match with anyone at any level.  One reason for his lack of matches is his value of 21 at DYS390 (yellow table cell).  Among the 2300+ members of the Haplogroup I-M223 Project at FTDNA, there are only two other people with this value, and they are 13-21 and 15-21, not 14-21.  However, his overall distance from the modals for his own Continental-2b cluster is also a factor.  While they may be his closest match, does he really belong with them?  Our subject would be a very interesting candidate for advanced SNP testing. 
Update (5 July 2015):  the Haplogroup I2-M223 project has found our subject's rare haplotype of interest, so they've offered him a free PF6896 SNP test.  If positive, it would put him in a group with a FRENCH and a BOBET/BABBITT.  These connections would be well prior to surname adoption, so there would be no point in looking for a paper connection in genealogical time.  It would point to an origin in France, which is certainly consistent with our subject's earliest ancestor's earliest known location in Alsace.
Update (17 July 2015):  Our subject is positive for PF6896 (= L703).
Jim Cullen's Haplo-I Subclade Predictor gives these probabilities for our subject's I2 cluster:
I-M223-Cont2b =>41%  I-P78-Cont3a =>29%  I-M223-Cont2a =>24%...
           

Deme 3
I2b1a = I-M284 = I-M284-IslesS
Found almost exclusively in the British Isles, especially Scotland.  Thought to have arrived in the British Isles in pre-Roman times.  It's an unusual haplogroup for a German.
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
User ID
Haplotype as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67 SMGF Markers
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M284-IslesS Modal Values 15 24 15 10 15 16 11 13 11 13 12 29 16  8  9 11 11 26 15 20 28 11 11 14 15 11 10 19 21 14           12 10 11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 10 9 0 19 21 16 11 12 12   9 14     10   11 13 11 11 12 11 12 12 13 19 11 14 11 31 20  
                 
STROUP SMGF   15 24 15 11 15 16 11 13 11 14 12 30 16  8  9 11 11 26 15 20 27         11 10 19 21 14           12 10                                       14     10               12 12 13 19 11 14 11 32 20 Pvt4, Pvt3, Francis2, George1 STROUP (1854-1917) of Oneida Co., NY > NE > KS
This individual was tested at SMGF, the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation.  SMGF tests a different suite of markers than FTDNA, but 30 of their 39 markers are in common as can be seen above (please scroll to the right to see the markers not in common with FTDNA).
The subject has a close fit to the modal M284-IslesS variety as defined by Nordtvedt.  His particular haplotype is rare, with no matches at Yhrd.org or Ybase.org and only two 12/12 matches (in other surnames) at Ysearch.org.  The subject's possession of this haplotype raises the question as to whether there is an adoption or hidden paternity in his ancestry because, up til now, all known individuals with this haplotype are from the British Isles, predominantly from Scotland.
Some have connected George to Johannes STRAUB, 1710 immigrant to New York, but he is not a DNA match for a solid paper descendant, which also suggests a bad paper connection or NPE.
Unfortunately, the SMGF database gives no possible way to contact a test subject.  If you are the test subject and are reading this, please contact me (email link below).  I would also strongly encourage you to upload your test results to Ysearch, to make them more easily accessible.
     

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Deme 4
I2b1c = I-P78 - Continental-3a
Continental is the most common form of I2b.  It is found thinly thoughout Europe, but is concentrated in central and northern Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark.
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
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P78-Cont3a Modal values 15 23 15 10 16 17 11 13 11 13 12 29 16 8  9 11 11 24 14 20 27 14 15 16 16 11 10 19 21 14 16         12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 13 x 20 10 13 12 13 11 12 12 11 Key Continental-3a markers highlighted in yellow.
                 
STRAUB 38897 EM4NU M223 14 22 16 10 16 18 11 13 11 13 13 29 17 8  9 11 11 23 14 20 27 14 15 16 16 11 10 19 21 14 16 18 22 35 38 13 10                                                             Pvt6, George Irvin5, Joseph Franklin4, Joseph3, Henry2, Henry1 of Northumberland Co., PA
#38897 has a rare haplotype with no full or near matches within the project (has one 12/12 match outside the project in another surname), but no full or near matches at 25 or 37 markers.
Based on the STR haplotype, this line is deduced to be P78-Cont3 (as per communication from Ken Nordtvedt) and most resembles 3a.
FTNDA has given our subject a complimentary Y-HAP-backbone test, with his results being P19+ and M223+.  Your project admins recommends deep SNP testing to confirm that he is P78+.
   

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Deme 5
Haplogroup I2-L38
SNP Path:  M170 > P215 > L460 > P214 > L38
Based on their haplotypes, this family has been deduced to be some form of Haplogroup I2-L38.  For a very interesting discussion of I2-L38, see Hans De Beule's web site on Haplogroup I-L38.  I would greatly encourage at least one member of the family to take advanced SNP testing (e.g., the BigY test) to prove they are actually L38+
I don't have a modal haplotype for I2-P214, but I do have ones for its two daughter subclades: I2-M223 and I2-L38.  Comparing these haplotypes to our subjects, it's clear they are some form of I2-L38, and considering how different the M223 and L38 haplotypes are, these must have separated a very long time ago.  I really do need to compile a P214 modal haplotype to see if it bears a greater resemblance to one or the other of its two daughter subclades.
Genetic Distance is from the family's modal values, not the I2-L38 or I2-M223 modals.
To view lineage, please scroll to the right.
Genetic Distance
(per panel)
Surname Kit# FF Most
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Ysearch
UserID
  Panel 1 Standard Markers 1-12   Panel 2 Standard Markers 13-25   Panel 3 Standard Markers 26-37   Panel 4 Standard Markers 38-67   Panel 5 Standard Markers 68-111   Known Lineage
STR PP3 PP5 MP6 MP7 MP8 MP9 [mixed] MP10 [EA] MP11 [SMGF] MP12 [all new] MP13 [mixed]
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14 12 10 16 36 I2-M223 Modal Values     15 23 15 10 15 15 11 13 11 13 12 29   15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 14 15   11 10 19 21 14 14 17 18 34 38 12 10   11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 14 25 20 10 13 12 13 11 12 12 11   29 14 8 15 11 23 27 19 11 11 12 11 11 9 11 11 10 11 12 31 10 13 22 14 11 10 20 15 22 11 24 14 11 14 25 12 19 18 12 14 17 9 12 11   per DGM 
 4  2 10  5 10 I2-L38/39 Modal Values     13 25 16 11 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 28   16 8 10 10 12 25 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 16 18 35 36 12 10   11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 15 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 14 11 12 12 11   29 14 8 16 10 25 27 19 11 11 12 12 12 8 11 11 10 11 12 29 11 12 22 14 11 10 20 15 20 10 22 16 11 16 25 12 21 18 13 13 17 9 13 11   per DGM
0 0 0 0 0 Family Modal Values* CSDJZ   13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 41 13 10   11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 12 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11   29.2 14 8 16 10 26 27 19 11 11 11 12 12 8.1 10 11 10 11 13 29 11 12 22 14 11 10 21 15 21 11 22 16 10 17 25 12 21 18 13 13 18 9 13 11   n=3 at 12, 15, 37, and 67 markers; n=2 at 111 markers 
                                               
0 0 1 0 0 STRAUB B86164 P       13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 40 13 10   11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 12 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11   29.2 14 8 16 10 26 27 19 11 11 11 12 12 8.1 10 11 10 11 13 29 11 12 22 14 11 10 21 15 21 11 22 16 10 17 25 12 21 18 13 13 18 9 13 11   Pvt... Friedrich Wilhelm1 STRAUB (1790-1849) Burkhards, Hesse, to St. Louis, MO, in 1839
0 1 1 0 0 STRAUP 26031   P19 E3BJM   13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 23 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 42 13 10   11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 12 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11   29.2 14 8 16 10 26 27 19 11 11 11 12 12 8.1 10 11 10 11 13 29 11 12 22 14 11 10 21 15 21 11 22 16 10 17 25 12 21 18 13 13 18 9 13 11   Pvt7, Earl Frank6, William E.5, James F.4 STRAUP, Thomas3, David2, Theobald/Dewald1 STRAUB (c1770s-1844) of Carbon Co., PA
0 0 0 0   STROUP 58687   M258     13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 41 13 10   11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11                                                                                             Pvt6, Pvt5, Bert S.4, Jonathan Samuel3, Jacob2, Peter1 STRAUB/STROUP (c1768-1830) of Perry Co., PA
*I'm temporarily guessing that the family's modal value for CDYb is the middle value: 41.
These three individuals have a very tight match with one-another suggesting their common ancestor is within a generation or two of their immigrant ancestors.  Their haplotypes are uncommon, and their few near matches at 37 markers and below don't hold up at 67 markers or above.   They have no matches at Ysearch, except for the match between #26031 and the family's modal haplotype.
Based on timing and geography for the descendants of Theobald and Peter, I suspect they are related to Andreas STRAUB I, the 1742 immigrant to Lancaster Co., PA.  We need a known patrilineal descendant of Andreas to be tested!
Based on #26031's haplotype, FTDNA initially (and tentatively) predicted his haplogroup was "C" (Asian), which prompted a gratis backbone SNP test.  The SNP test result of M216- ruled out Hg C, while P19+ proved Hg I, which shows that, for rare haplotypes, a backbone SNP test can be essential for determining the correct haplogroup.  It does point out that L38 is very different from a typical I2 haplotype as demonstrated by the huge genetic distance between the L38 modal and the M223 modal.  There is even a substantial difference between this family and the L38 modal, so I strongly recommend that at least one member of this family take an advanced SNP test, such as FTDNA's "Big Y."
Results of Deep SNP testing for #58687 are:
Yes No No
I I1 I1a1a I1a1a1 I2a1 I2a1a1 I2a1a1a1...*  I2a2a
M170+ P19+ P38+ M258+ M253- P30- M307- M21- M227- M72- P37.2- M26- M161- M223-
*M161 is somewhere below I2a1a1a1 (L160).
Predictions based on Jim Cullen's World Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor:
Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:  Ix-S23 => 100%
Haplo-I Subclades and probabilities are as follows: I-S23-A => 95%  I-S23-B => 4%  I-S23-C => 4%
An earlier search predicted I-L38-A, but the position of L38 as a downstream subclade of P214 (S23) is uncertain.  Based on this family's haplotypes, they are much closer to L38, one of the two daughter subclades of P214.  There are enough L38/L39's that there is even an FTDNA project for them, so I would expect L38 to be placed securely on the tree in the not-too-distant future. 
Based on the current (14 May 2016) ISOGG Haplotree, S23 is Haplogroup I2a2 = I2-P214.
           

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What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers: 9 or less is a non-relative; for 10-12 markers, please see this table compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers: 21 or less is a non-relative; for 22-25 markers,
For 37 markers: 31 or less is a non-relative; for 32-37 markers,
For 67 markers: 59 or less is a non-relative; for 60-67 markers,
For 111 markers: 100 or less is a non-relative; for 101-111 markers,
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.

 
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