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Lineages and Results of Y-DNA Testing for STRAUB, TRAUB, STRAUBE, STROOP, STRUB,
and Variations, especially STROUP, STROUPE, TROUP, TROUPE, etc.
Haplogroup I2
Results
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Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
(number tested at FTDNA + number tested elsewhere / number of different progenitors)
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E (1 / 1)  I1  (4 / 3) I1-L592 (31 / 1)  I2  (14 / 6) J2 (5 / 2) R1a (2 / 1) R1b (25 / 19) T (1 / 1)

Haplogroup I is found almost exclusively in Europe where it is represented in about 20% of the population, making it the second most common haplogroup in western Europe, after R1b.  Overall, Hg I has a broad European distribution, from the British Isles east to the Ural Mountains of Russia and south to Anatolia and the Mediterranean Sea.  Hg I is divided into two main subclades (groups):  I1, which is the most common form of Hg I in northwestern Europe, and I2, which is the most common form of Hg I in eastern Europe.  In terms of frequency, subclade I2 is much less common than I1. 
It's difficult to generalize about I2 because it contains a number of geographically separate subgroups.  The two main divisions of I2 are I2a and I2b.  Some varieties of I2a are concentrated in the Balkans and are called "Dinaric" (named for a mountain range there, the Dinaric Alps), while others are found around the Baltic and North Sea coastal areas, another in the British Isles, and another in Sardinia and Iberia.  One subgroup of I2b, called "Isles," is almost exclusive to the British Isles, with a high concentration in Scotland, while the main subgroup of I2b, dubbed "Continental," is most common in northwestern Europe, southern Scandinavia, and Britain. 
So far, we have 14 members who are some form of Haplogroup I2.
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I2a I-P37 1 STROPE Johannes STRAUB (1682/3- ) Palatine to New York in 1711*  4
I-M423 2 STROUP Michael STROUP (c1730s-1797) of DEU? MD? > Huntingdon Co., PA 1
STROUP Jacob STROUP (1815/6-1860s) PA > Grant Co., IN 2
 
I2b I-S12195 6 STROOP Michael STROUP / STROOP (c1780s-1840s) Alsace > MD > OH > IN 1
I-M284 3 STROUP George STROUP (1854-1917) of Oneida Co., NY > NE > KS 1
I-P78 4 STRAUB Henry STRAUB of Northumberland Co., PA 1
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5 STRAUB Theobald / Dewald STRAUB of Carbon Co., PA 1
STROUP Peter STROUP of Perry Co., PA 2
STRAUB Friedrich Wilhelm STRAUB (1790-1849) Hesse to St. Louis, MO 1
*Johannes is the earliest known STRAUB immigrant to the United States.  The second earliest known is Johann Pieter STRAUB of Württemberg, who immigrated to Philadelphia in 1733 (Haplogroup I1-L592).

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Deme 1
I2-P37
To view lineages, please scroll to the right.
Genetic Distance Surname Kit# Most
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5 4 6 12 15 42 I2-P37 Modal Values   13 24 15 10 12 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 20 29 12 14 14 15   10 10 21 21 14 12 18 18 34 35 12 10   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 11  9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 8 10 22 20 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 11   31 14 8 15 11 27 27 19 12 11 11 12 11 9 12 11 10 11 12 31 11 12 22 15 11 10 22 15 18 11 25 16 11 14 23 12 21 18 12 15 17 9 11 11    
0 0 0 0 0 0 Family Modal Values   13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 35 12  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11   35 14 8 15 11 27 28 19 12 11 11 12 11 9 13 11 10 11 12 31 11 11 24 14 11 11 22 15 19 10 25 16 11 14 23 12 21 19 12 15 17 9 11 11   n = 5 at 67 markers; n = 2 at 111 markers
                                       
0 0 1 0 STROPE 250606     13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 36 12  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11                                                                                             Pvt10 Pvt9 Earl David8 LaFayette7 Ezra6 Henry5 Isaac4 Johannes3 Joh. Henrich2 Johannes1 STRAUB (1682/3- )
Palatinate to NY in 1711
0 0 1 0 3 4 STROUP 345432 P37   13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 35 11  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11   34 14 8 15 11 28 28 19 12 11 11 12 11 9 13 11 10 11 12 31 11 11 24 14 11 11 22 15 19 10 24 16 11 14 23 12 21 19 12 15 17 9 11 11   Pvt9 Pvt8 Clarence Chas7 Eben Edwin6 William5 Benjamin4 William II3 Joh. Wilhelm2
0 0 1 0   STROUP 413960     13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 35 11  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11                                                                                             Pvt10 Pvt
0 1 0 0   STROUP 651147 P37   13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   16 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 35 12  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11                                                                                             Pvt Pvt...  awaiting lineage
0 0 1 1 3 5 MILLER B412962     13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 34 12  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12  9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11   36 14 8 15 11 27 28 19 12 11 11 12 11 9 13 11 10 11 12 31 11 11 24 14 11 11 24 15 19 10 25 16 11 14 23 12 21 19 12 14 17 9 11 11   Pvt5 Pvt4 Guy3 Ellsworth C2 George1 MILLER (1826-1893) of Knox Co., OH
Temporary and Arbitrary Modification (8 Dec 2018):  to demonstrate the reason we need everyone to upgrade to 111 markers and produce a better family modal value, I've made some arbitrary changes to the Family Model (FM) in Panel 5 in the table above.   In fact, these changes are reasonable ones; and one or more of them may, in the end, turn out to be a true FM value.

Because #345432 was the only STROPE/STROUP to have tested 111 markers, I had previously used his values verbatim in Panel 5 as the FM giving him a GD of zero from the FM.  Having a sample size of just one (n=1) makes calling this a "modal" value somewhat absurd.  Doing this caused the MILLER to appear to have a GD of 6 from the FM in Panel 5, giving him a Total GD of 8, thus making him only a "borderline" match with the family.  However, if we assume they do have a near common ancestor, it is reasonable to assume that #345432 and the MILLER are equidistant from him in terms of generations, and thus would have acquired a roughly equal number of mutations in that descent and, normally, this will be the actual case for descendants of the same near common ancestor.

Until the other three members of this family upgrade to 111 markers, we cannot know what the actually FM is especially as a sample size of four or five is still not great.  So I have, in the table above, arbitrarily changed some FM values to split the GD in Panel 5 as evenly as possible between #345432 and the MILLER.  Having done so, the MILLER becomes a solid member of this family.  PLEASE, everyone upgrade to 111 markers.  This is exactly the kind of genealogical problem that DNA testing can resolve.

Our subjects have a rare haplotype, as evidenced by the GD (Genetic Distance) of their family modal haplotype from the I2-P37 modal haplotype (42!).  They have only one match with anyone else at any level, a MILLER.  With a 65/67 match to the family modal haplotype, it was looking like the MILLER had an NPE and was really a STRAUB.  However, at 111 markers that match fell away and became "borderline."  There is little doubt they have a near common ancestor, especially given the rarity of their haplotypes, but the question remains whether this is an NPE or simply a connection before the period of surname adoption, in Germany.  In other words, is he actually a German MÜLLER, rather than an English MILLER?

What's needed, now, is for the three individuals who've only tested 67 markers to upgrade to 111 markers only one individual tested to 111 markers does not make for a strong modal.  The best way to do this is to take the BigY-500, which includes the upgrade to 111 markers; the MILLER also needs to take the BigY.  SNP results from the BigY would tell us whether the STR match represents relationship or coincidence.

FTDNA's annual Holiday Sale is in effect until December 31st, so this would be a good time to take the tests.  The sale price for an upgrade from 67 markers to 111 markers is $89 (reg. $129); an upgrade from 67 markers to the BigY, including the upgrade to 111 markers, is $399 (reg. $499); the upgrade from 111 markers to the BigY is $349 (reg. $449).

I know the BigY is expensive, but in the end it's cheaper than testing SNP packs and individual SNPs, which only test known SNPs.  The BigY is an exploratory test and will find new SNPs unique to your family and to you, individually.  This is the level of testing we need to answer questions at the family/individual level.

This family has an interesting history, which has been compiled by descendant, Bonita El ine STROPE, in her book,The Strope Family from Germany to America.
#345432 received a gratis backbone SNP test (P37.2+) from FTDNA to determine the haplogroup for this rare haplotype.
         
  The descendants of Clarence Charles share a mutation from 12 to 11 at DYS442 (magenta table cells), which had to have occurred no later that Clarence's son and possibly much earlier.  Testing of further cousins could pinpoint the generation in which the mutation actually appeared, making this mutation a branch identifier for the family.
  The paper documentation connecting Benjamin4 and William II3 is weak; research continues.

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Deme 2
I2a2 = I-M423 Dinaric-S Cluster
The haplotype of these individuals most resembles the modal haplotypes of the Dinaric varieties of I2a2 found most frequently in Germany, eastern Europe, and the Balkans.  The region of the Dinaric Alps (a mountain chain in southeastern Europe spanning Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro, and Albania) is believed to have been the refugium for this population during the last glacial maximum, hence its name, "Dinaric."
To view lineages, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # - Haplotype as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
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Eastern European I2 - 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 13 13 11 31 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 20 32 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 17 18 34 35 11 10                                                             As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Scandinavian Project Admin (12 Jul 2007).
M423-DinS modals   13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 13 13 11 31 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12         11 10 11 8 15 15 7 12 10 8 11 9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 7 10 30 21 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 9 As per Nordtvedt (6 May 2009); markers in orange characteristic of Dinaric-S.
               
STROUP 92668 - 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15                                                                                     Pvt8, Pvt7, Nelson Walter6, Charles Nelson5, Isaac William4, Joseph3, Anthony2, (Adam?) Michael1 MD to PA
STROUP 155580   13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 18 17 34 35 11 10                                                             Pvt6, Pvt5, Charles Edward4, Jacob Ulysses3, James Polk2, Jacob1 PA to Grant Co., IN
STROUP 117164 - 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 18 17 34 35 11 10 11 8 15 15 7 12 10 8 11 9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 7 10 32 21 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 9 Pvt6, Pvt5, Carey Daniel4, Jacob Ulysses3, James Polk2, Jacob1 PA to Grant Co., IN
The match between #92668 and the other two came as a surprise given that a paper connection to them is unknown.  At 12 markers, they have a dozen or so full matches (in other surnames) in the FTDNA database; and at 25 markers, they have a few near matches (in German and Slavic surnames) in the Ysearch database, but no full matches.  Their haplotype remains unique at 25 markers.
#117164 is a strong match with 67-marker modal haplotype of Nordtvedt's "Dinaric-S" variety of M423 (= I2a2).
#117164 has undergone deep SNP testing, and his results are:
P37+ M423+ M26- P41.2- L161- 
The positive result for P37.2 proves he is I2a, and the positive result for M423 proves he is I2a2.  The negative result for M26 redundantly rules out 12a1, and the negative results for P41.2 and L161 rule out these subclades of I2a2.
#92668 has tested positive for P37.
Under FamilyTreeDNA's "Haplogroup Assurance" program, #92668 has been given a complementary backbone SNP test showing he is positive for P37.2.  He was not tested for any downstream SNPs, but his results should be the same as #117164, so I do not recommend this individual be deep SNP tested.  I do recommend he upgrade to 67 markers.
   

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Deme 6
FTDNA SNP Path: I2-P215 > L460 > P214 > M223 > CTS616 > CTS10057 > L702 > L703 > S12195
To view lineage, please scroll to the right.
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5 0 2 5 21 I2-M223 Modal Values     15 23 15 10 15 15 11 13 11 13 12 29   15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 14 15   11 10 19 21 14 14 17 18 34 38 12 10   11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 14 25 20 10 13 12 13 11 12 12 11   29 14 8 15 11 23 27 19 11 11 12 11 11 9 11 11 10 11 12 31 10 13 22 14 11 10 20 15 22 11 24 14 11 14 25 12 19 18 12 14 17 9 12 11    
0 0 0 0  0 Continental-2b Modal Values     14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 14 12 32   15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 14 15   11 10 19 21 15 14 17 18 34 39 12 10   11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 12 12 12 14 9 14 26 20 11 13 12 12 11 12 12 11   31 13 8 15 11 24 27 16 12 11 12 11 12 9 12 11 10 11 12 32 10 12 22 13 11 10 20 15 22  9 23 14 13 14 27 12 21 18 12 15 17 9 12 11    
                                               
5 3 3     STROOP 413463   S12195     14 21 15 10 13 16 11 13 11 14 12 33   16 8  9 11 11 25 14 20 27 14 14 14 15   10 10 19 21 16 15 17 18 34 39 12 10                                                                                                                                                           Pvt5, Pvt4, David Vincent3, Moses S.2 STROOP, Michael1 STROUP (c1780s-1840s) of Alsace > Switzerland > MD > OH > Miami Co., IN
Genetic Distances are from the Continental-2b modals.
Our subject has no match with anyone at any level.  One reason for his lack of matches is his value of 21 at DYS390 (yellow table cell).  Among the 2300+ members of the Haplogroup I-M223 Project at FTDNA, there are only two other people with this value, and they are 13-21 and 15-21, not 14-21.  However, his overall distance from the modals for his own Continental-2b cluster is also a factor.  While they may be his closest match, does he really belong with them?  Our subject would be a very interesting candidate for advanced SNP testing. 
Update (5 July 2015):  the Haplogroup I2-M223 project has found our subject's rare haplotype of interest, so they've offered him a free PF6896 SNP test.  If positive, it would put him in a group with a FRENCH and a BOBET/BABBITT.  These connections would be well prior to surname adoption, so there would be no point in looking for a paper connection in genealogical time.  It would point to an origin in France, which is certainly consistent with our subject's earliest ancestor's earliest known location in Alsace.
Update (17 July 2015):  Our subject is positive for PF6896 (= L703).
Jim Cullen's Haplo-I Subclade Predictor gives these probabilities for our subject's I2 cluster:
I-M223-Cont2b =>41%  I-P78-Cont3a =>29%  I-M223-Cont2a =>24%...
           

Deme 3
I2b1a = I-M284 = I-M284-IslesS
Found almost exclusively in the British Isles, especially Scotland.  Thought to have arrived in the British Isles in pre-Roman times.  It's an unusual haplogroup for a German.
To view lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # - Haplotype as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
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M284-IslesS Modal Values 15 24 15 10 15 16 11 13 11 13 12 29 16  8  9 11 11 26 15 20 28 11 11 14 15 11 10 19 21 14           12 10 11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 10 9 0 19 21 16 11 12 12   9 14     10   11 13 11 11 12 11 12 12 13 19 11 14 11 31 20  
                 
STROUP SMGF 15 24 15 11 15 16 11 13 11 14 12 30 16  8  9 11 11 26 15 20 27         11 10 19 21 14           12 10                                       14     10               12 12 13 19 11 14 11 32 20 Pvt4, Pvt3, Francis2, George1 STROUP (1854-1917) of Oneida Co., NY > NE > KS
This individual was tested at SMGF, the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation.  SMGF tests a different suite of markers than FTDNA, but 30 of their 39 markers are in common as can be seen above (please scroll to the right to see the markers not in common with FTDNA).
Update:  Ancestry.com purchased SMGF and took their database offline, an unfortunate loss for family researchers. 
The subject has a close fit to the modal M284-IslesS variety as defined by Nordtvedt.  His particular haplotype is rare, with no matches at Yhrd.org or Ybase.org and only two 12/12 matches (in other surnames) at Ysearch.org.  The subject's possession of this haplotype raises the question as to whether there is an adoption or hidden paternity in his ancestry because, up til now, all known individuals with this haplotype are from the British Isles, predominantly from Scotland.
Some have connected George to Johannes STRAUB, 1710 immigrant to New York, but he is not a DNA match for a solid paper descendant, which also suggests a bad paper connection or NPE.
Unfortunately, the SMGF database gives no possible way to contact a test subject.  If you are the test subject and are reading this, please contact me (email link below).  I would also strongly encourage you to upload your test results to Ysearch, to make them more easily accessible.
     

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Deme 4
I2b1c = I-P78 - Continental-3a
Continental is the most common form of I2b.  It is found thinly thoughout Europe, but is concentrated in central and northern Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark.
To view lineage, please scroll to the right.
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P78-Cont3a Modal values 15 23 15 10 16 17 11 13 11 13 12 29 16 8  9 11 11 24 14 20 27 14 15 16 16 11 10 19 21 14 16         12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 13 x 20 10 13 12 13 11 12 12 11 Key Continental-3a markers highlighted in yellow.
               
STRAUB 38897 M223 14 22 16 10 16 18 11 13 11 13 13 29 17 8  9 11 11 23 14 20 27 14 15 16 16 11 10 19 21 14 16 18 22 35 38 13 10                                                             Pvt6, George Irvin5, Joseph Franklin4, Joseph3, Henry2, Henry1 of Northumberland Co., PA
#38897 has a rare haplotype with no full or near matches within the project (has one 12/12 match outside the project in another surname), but no full or near matches at 25 or 37 markers.
Based on the STR haplotype, this line is deduced to be P78-Cont3 (as per communication from Ken Nordtvedt) and most resembles 3a.
FTNDA has given our subject a complimentary Y-HAP-backbone test, with his results being P19+ and M223+.  Your project admins recommends deep SNP testing to confirm that he is P78+.
   

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Deme 5
Haplogroup I2-L38
FTDNA SNP Path:  M170 > P215 > L460 > P214 > L38
Based on their haplotypes, this family has been deduced to be some form of Haplogroup I2-L38.  For a very interesting discussion of I2-L38, see Hans De Beule's web site on Haplogroup I-L38.  I would greatly encourage at least one member of the family to take advanced SNP testing (e.g., the BigY test) to prove they are actually L38+
I don't have a modal haplotype for I2-P214, but I do have ones for its two daughter subclades: I2-M223 and I2-L38.  Comparing these haplotypes to our subjects, it's clear they are some form of I2-L38, and considering how different the M223 and L38 haplotypes are, these must have separated a very long time ago.  I really do need to compile a P214 modal haplotype to see if it bears a greater resemblance to one or the other of its two daughter subclades.
Genetic Distance is from the family's modal values, not the I2-L38 or I2-M223 modals.
To view lineages, please scroll to the right.
Genetic Distance
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14 12 10 16 36 I2-M223 Modal Values     15 23 15 10 15 15 11 13 11 13 12 29   15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 14 15   11 10 19 21 14 14 17 18 34 38 12 10   11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 14 25 20 10 13 12 13 11 12 12 11   29 14 8 15 11 23 27 19 11 11 12 11 11 9 11 11 10 11 12 31 10 13 22 14 11 10 20 15 22 11 24 14 11 14 25 12 19 18 12 14 17 9 12 11   per DGM 
 4  2 10  5 10 I2-L38/39 Modal Values     13 25 16 11 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 28   16 8 10 10 12 25 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 16 18 35 36 12 10   11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 15 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 14 11 12 12 11   29 14 8 16 10 25 27 19 11 11 12 12 12 8 11 11 10 11 12 29 11 12 22 14 11 10 20 15 20 10 22 16 11 16 25 12 21 18 13 13 17 9 13 11   per DGM
0 0 0 0 0 Family Modal Values -   13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 41 13 10   11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 12 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11   29.2 14 8 16 10 26 27 19 11 11 11 12 12 8.1 10 11 10 11 13 29 11 12 22 14 11 10 21 15 21 11 22 16 10 17 25 12 21 18 13 13 18 9 13 11   n=4 at 12, 15, and 37 markers; n=3 at 67 markers; n=2 at 111 markers 
                                               
0 0 1 0 0 STRAUB B86164 FF       13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 40 13 10   11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 12 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11   29.2 14 8 16 10 26 27 19 11 11 11 12 12 8.1 10 11 10 11 13 29 11 12 22 14 11 10 21 15 21 11 22 16 10 17 25 12 21 18 13 13 18 9 13 11   Pvt... Friedrich Wilhelm1 STRAUB (1790-1849) Burkhards, Hesse, to St. Louis, MO, in 1839
0 1 1 0 0 STRAUP 26031   P19 -   13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 23 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 42 13 10   11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 12 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11   29.2 14 8 16 10 26 27 19 11 11 11 12 12 8.1 10 11 10 11 13 29 11 12 22 14 11 10 21 15 21 11 22 16 10 17 25 12 21 18 13 13 18 9 13 11   Pvt7, Earl Frank6, William E.5, James F.4 STRAUP, Thomas3, David2, Theobald/Dewald1 STRAUB (c1770s-1844) of Carbon Co., PA
0 0 0 1   STROUP 58687   M170     13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 41 13 10   11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11                                                                                             Pvt6, Pvt5, Bert S.4, Jonathan Samuel3, Jacob2, Peter1 STRAUB / STROUP (c1768-1830) of Perry Co., PA
0 0 0     STROUP 471792 FF       13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30   16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15   10  9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 41 13 10                                                                                                                                                           Pvt...
These four individuals have a very tight match with one another suggesting their common ancestor is within a generation or two of their immigrant ancestors.  Their haplotypes are uncommon, and their few near matches at 37 markers and below don't hold up at 67 markers or above.   As of (11 Dec 2016), they have no matches at Ysearch, except for the match between #26031 and the family's modal haplotype.
Based on timing and geography for the descendants of Theobald and Peter, I suspect they are related to Andreas STRAUB I, the 1742 immigrant to Lancaster Co., PA.  We need a known patrilineal descendant of Andreas to be tested!
Based on #26031's haplotype, FTDNA initially (and tentatively) predicted his haplogroup was "C" (Asian), which prompted a gratis backbone SNP test. The SNP test result of M216- ruled out Hg C, while P19+ proved Hg I, which shows that, for rare haplotypes, a backbone SNP test can be essential for determining the correct haplogroup.  It does point out that L38 is very different from a typical I2 haplotype as demonstrated by the huge genetic distance between the L38 modal and the M223 modal.  There is even a substantial difference between this family and the L38 modal, so I strongly recommend that at least one member of this family take an advanced SNP test, such as FTDNA's "Big Y."
Results of Deep SNP testing for #58687 are:
Yes No No
I I1 I1a1a I1a1a1 I2a1 I2a1a1 I2a1a1a1...*  I2a2a
M170+ P19+ P38+ M258+ M253- P30- M307- M21- M227- M72- P37.2- M26- M161- M223-
*M161 is somewhere below I2a1a1a1 (L160).
Predictions based on Jim Cullen's World Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor:
Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:  Ix-S23 => 100%
Haplo-I Subclades and probabilities are as follows: I-S23-A => 95%  I-S23-B => 4%  I-S23-C => 4%
An earlier search predicted I-L38-A, but the position of L38 as a downstream subclade of P214 (S23) is uncertain.  Based on this family's haplotypes, they are much closer to L38, one of the two daughter subclades of P214.  There are enough L38/L39's that there is even an FTDNA project for them, so I would expect L38 to be placed securely on the tree in the not-too-distant future. 
Based on the current (14 May 2016) ISOGG Haplotree, S23 is Haplogroup I2a2 = I2-P214.
           

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What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers: 9 or less is a non-relative; for 10-12 markers, please see this table compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers: 21 or less is a non-relative; for 22-25 markers,
For 37 markers: 31 or less is a non-relative; for 32-37 markers,
For 67 markers: 59 or less is a non-relative; for 60-67 markers,
For 111 markers: 100 or less is a non-relative; for 101-111 markers,
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.

 
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