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Lineages and Results of Y-DNA Testing for STRAUB, TRAUB, STRAUBE, STROOP, STRUB,
and Variations, especially STROUP, STROUPE, TROUP, TROUPE, etc.
Haplogroup I2
Results
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Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
(number tested at FTDNA + number tested elsewhere / number of different progenitors)
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E (1 / 1)  I1  (4 / 3) I1-L592 (30 / 1)  I2  (8 / 5) J2 (5 / 2) R1a (2 / 1) R1b (23 / 17) T (1 / 1)

Haplogroup I is found almost exclusively in Europe where it is represented in about 20% of the population, making it the second most common haplogroup in western Europe, after R1b.  Overall, Hg I has a broad European distribution, from the British Isles east to the Ural Mountains of Russia and south to Anatolia and the Mediterranean Sea.  Hg I is divided into two main subclades (groups):  I1, which is the most common form of Hg I in northwestern Europe, and I2, which is the most common form of Hg I in eastern Europe.  In terms of frequency, subclade I2 is much less common than I1. 
It's difficult to generalize about I2 because it contains a number of geographically separate subgroups.  The two main divisions of I2 are I2a and I2b.  Some varieties of I2a are concentrated in the Balkans and are called "Dinaric" (named for a mountain range there, the Dinaric Alps), while others are found around the Baltic and North Sea coastal areas, another in the British Isles, and another in Sardinia and Iberia.  One subgroup of I2b, called "Isles," is almost exclusive to the British Isles, with a high concentration in Scotland, while the main subgroup of I2b, dubbed "Continental," is most common in northwestern Europe, southern Scandinavia, and Britain. 
We have nine members who are some form of Haplogroup I2.

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I2a I-P37.2   1 STROPE Johannes STRAUB (1682/3- ) 1710 immigrant to New York  1
STROUP William STROUP (c1820s-c1870s) Jefferson Co., NY > IL > MN 1
I2a2 I-M423 Dinaric-S 2 STROUP Michael STROUP (c1730s-1797) of DEU? MD? > Huntingdon Co., PA 1
STROUP Jacob STROUP (1815/6-1860s) PA > Grant Co., IN 2
I2b1a I-M284 Isles-S 3 STROUP George STROUP (1854-1917) of Oneida Co., NY > NE > KS 1
I2b1c I-P78 Continental-3a 4 STRAUB Henry STRAUB of Northumberland Co., PA 1
I2b2 I-L38 I-L38-A 5 STRAUB Theobald / Dewald STRAUB of Carbon Co., PA 1
STROUP Peter STROUP of Perry Co., PA 1

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Deme 1
I2a = I-P37.2
To view lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit# Ysearch
UserID
  Panel 1 Standard Markers 1-12   Panel 2 Standard Markers 13-25   Panel 3 Standard Markers 26-37   Panel 4 Standard Markers 38-67   Panel 5 Standard Markers 68-111   Known Lineage
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I2-P37.2 Modal Values   13 24 15 10 12 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 20 29 12 14 14 15   10 10 21 21 14 12 18 18 34 35 12 10   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 11  9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 8 10 22 20 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 11   31 14 8 15 11 27 27 19 12 11 11 12 11 9 12 11 10 11 12 31 11 12 22 15 11 10 22 15 18 11 25 16 11 14 23 12 21 18 12 15 17 9 11 11    
                                         
STROPE 250606     13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 36 12  9   11 8 15 16 7 11 10 8 12 10 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 15 8 11 25 20 13 12 10 13 10 11 12 11                                                                                             Pvt10, Pvt9, Earl David8, LaFayette7, Ezra6, Henry5, Isaac4, Johannes3, Joh. Henrich2, Johannes1 STRAUB Palatine to NY in 1710
STROUP1 345432     13 24 16 10 12 17 11 13 11 14 11 31   17 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 31 12 12 14 15   10 10 21 21 16 13 17 17 34 35 11  9                                                                                                                                                           Pvt5, Pvt4, Clarence Charles3, Eben Edwin2, William1 STROUP (c1820s-c1870s) of Jefferson Co., NY > IL > MN
1gratis backbone SNP test pending.
Our subjects have an uncommon haplotype.  They match no one else, except each other, at any level.  It is extremely likely that they share a common ancestor in Johannes STRAUB, Palatine immigrant to New York in 1711.  This family has an interesting history, compiled by descendant, Bonita Elaine STROPE, in her book, The Strope Family from Germany to America.
FTDNA was unable to predict their haplogroup from their haplotype, so under their "haplogroup assurance" policy, they are giving #345432 a gratis backbone SNP test.  They had earlier predicted #250606 was P37.2+, but recent revisions of the haplotree based on BigY results have apparently put that prediction into question.
           

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Deme 2
I2a2 = I-M423 Dinaric-S Cluster
The haplotype of these individuals most resembles the modal haplotypes of the Dinaric varieties of I2a2 found most frequently in Germany, eastern Europe, and the Balkans.  The region of the Dinaric Alps (a mountain chain in southeastern Europe spanning Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro, and Albania) is believed to have been the refugium for this population during the last glacial maximum, hence its name, "Dinaric."
To view lineages, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
Code
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Eastern European I2 UZY58 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 13 13 11 31 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 20 32 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 17 18 34 35 11 10                                                             As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Scandinavian Project Admin (12 Jul 2007).
M423-DinS modals   13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 13 13 11 31 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12         11 10 11 8 15 15 7 12 10 8 11 9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 7 10 30 21 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 9 As per Nordtvedt (6 May 2009); markers in orange characteristic of Dinaric-S.
               
STROUP 92668 VQ3AU 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15                                                                                     Pvt8, Pvt7, Nelson Walter6, Charles Nelson5, Isaac William4, Joseph3, Anthony2, (Adam?) Michael1 MD to PA
STROUP 155580   13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 18 17 34 35 11 10                                                             Pvt6, Pvt5, Charles Edward4, Jacob Ulysses3, James Polk2, Jacob1 PA to Grant Co., IN
STROUP 117164 9DUJU 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8 9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 18 17 34 35 11 10 11 8 15 15 7 12 10 8 11 9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 7 10 32 21 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 9 Pvt6, Pvt5, Carey Daniel4, Jacob Ulysses3, James Polk2, Jacob1 PA to Grant Co., IN
The match between #92668 and the other two came as a surprise given that a paper connection to them is unknown.  At 12 markers, they have a dozen or so full matches (in other surnames) in the FTDNA database; and at 25 markers, they have a few near matches (in German and Slavic surnames) in the Ysearch database, but no full matches.  Their haplotype remains unique at 25 markers.
#117164 is a strong match with 67-marker modal haplotype of Nordtvedt's "Dinaric-S" variety of M423 (= I2a2).
#117164 has undergone deep SNP testing, and his results are:
P37+ M423+ M26- P41.2- L161- 
The positive result for P37.2 proves he is I2a, and the positive result for M423 proves he is I2a2.  The negative result for M26 redundantly rules out 12a1, and the negative results for P41.2 and L161 rule out these subclades of I2a2.
#92668 has tested positive for P37.
Under FamilyTreeDNA's "Haplogroup Assurance" program, #92668 has been given a complementary backbone SNP test showing he is positive for P37.2.  He was not tested for any downstream SNPs, but his results should be the same as #117164, so I do not recommend this individual be deep SNP tested.  I do recommend he upgrade to 67 markers.
   

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Deme 3
I2b1a = I-M284 = M284-IslesS
Found almost exclusively in the British Isles, especially Scotland.  Thought to have arrived in the British Isles in pre-Roman times.  It's an unusual haplogroup for a German.
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
User ID
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M284-IslesS Modal Values 15 24 15 10 15 16 11 13 11 13 12 29 16  8  9 11 11 26 15 20 28 11 11 14 15 11 10 19 21 14           12 10 11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 10 9 0 19 21 16 11 12 12   9 14     10   11 13 11 11 12 11 12 12 13 19 11 14 11 31 20  
                 
STROUP SMGF   15 24 15 11 15 16 11 13 11 14 12 30 16  8  9 11 11 26 15 20 27  $       11 10 19 21 14           12 10                                       14     10               12 12 13 19 11 14 11 32 20 Pvt4, Pvt3, Francis2, George1 STROUP (1854-1917) of Oneida Co., NY > NE > KS
This individual was tested at SMGF, the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation.  SMGF tests a different suite of markers than FTDNA, but 30 of their 39 markers are in common as can be seen above (please scroll to the right to see the markers not in common with FTDNA).
The subject has a close fit to the modal M284-IslesS variety as defined by Nordtvedt.  His particular haplotype is rare, with no matches at Yhrd.org or Ybase.org and only two 12/12 matches (in other surnames) at Ysearch.org.  The subject's possession of this haplotype raises the question as to whether there is an adoption or hidden paternity in his ancestry because, up til now, all known individuals with this haplotype are from the British Isles, predominantly from Scotland.
Some have connected George to Johannes STRAUB, 1710 immigrant to New York, but he is not a DNA match for a solid paper descendant, which also suggests a bad paper connection or NPE.
Unfortunately, the SMGF database gives no possible way to contact a test subject.  If you are the test subject and are reading this, please contact me (email link below).  I would also strongly encourage you to upload your test results to Ysearch, to make them more easily accessible.
     

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Deme 4
I2b1c = I-P78 - Continental-3a
Continental is the most common form of I2b.  It is found thinly thoughout Europe, but is concentrated in central and northern Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark.
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
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P78-Cont3a Modal values 15 23 15 10 16 17 11 13 11 13 12 29 16 8  9 11 11 24 14 20 27 14 15 16 16 11 10 19 21 14 16         12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 13 x 20 10 13 12 13 11 12 12 11 Key Continental-3a markers highlighted in yellow.
                 
STRAUB 38897 EM4NU M223 14 22 16 10 16 18 11 13 11 13 13 29 17 8  9 11 11 23 14 20 27 14 15 16 16 11 10 19 21 14 16 18 22 35 38 13 10                                                             Pvt6, George Irvin5, Joseph Franklin4, Joseph3, Henry2, Henry1 of Northumberland Co., PA
#38897 has a rare haplotype with no full or near matches within the project (has one 12/12 match outside the project in another surname), but no full or near matches at 25 or 37 markers.
Based on the STR haplotype, this line is deduced to be P78-Cont3 (as per communication from Ken Nordtvedt) and most resembles 3a.
FTNDA has given our subject a complimentary Y-HAP-backbone test, with his results being P19+ and M223+.  Your project admins recommends deep SNP testing to confirm that he is P78+.
   

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Deme 5
I2b2 = I-L38 = L38-A
Based on their haplotypes, these individuals have been deduced to be I2b1 (= I-L38/39), but additional SNP testing will be necessary to confirm this deduction.  The subclade is geographically widespread in western Europe, from Iberia, France, and Italy to Germany and Denmark, though absent from Sweden and Norway, yet is uncommon.  Based on the database at SMGF, only about 0.5% of European Hg I are I2b2. 
To view the subjects' lineages, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
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5
7
5
9
4
4
3
6
4
9
0
5
3
4
4
5
0
4
4
4
4
8
1
5
2
0
4
4
6
6
1
7
5
6
8
4
8
7
5
7
2
6
4
0
4
9
2
5
6
5
L38-A Modal Values 13 25 16 11 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 8 10 10 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14         11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 9 12 21 22 x 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 14 11 12 12 11 Defining markers highlighted in yellow.
                 
STRAUP 26031 E3BJM P19 13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 8 10  9 12 23 15 19 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 42 13 10                                                             Pvt7, Earl Frank6, William E.5, James F. STRAUP4, Thomas3, David2, Theobald/Dewald STRAUB1 of Carbon Co., PA
STROUP 58687   M258 13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 41 13 10 11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11 Pvt6, Pvt5, Bert S.4, Jonathan Samuel3, Jacob2, Peter1 of Perry Co., PA
These two individuals have rare haplotypes.  They have no full or near matches at 25 or 37 markers (except with each other) making their haplotypes, at least for now, unique and easily distinguishable.  We do not know how these two subjects connect, but I suspect they are both related to Andreas STRAUB I, the 1742 immigrant to Lancaster Co., PA.  We need a known patrilineal descendant of Andreas to be tested!
Standard testing does not reveal the order of Markers DYS 385a and 385b.  By convention, they are reported lo-hi.  A Kittler test can reveal the true order of these alleles; and, in the case of L38-A, Kittler testing has revealed that their order is actually hi-lo.  Your project admin recommends at least one of you get a Kittler test to determine your ordering of these alleles.  Even though the result is almost certain to be hi-lo, it's "good science" to be certain.
Based on #26031's haplotype, FTDNA tentatively predicted his haplogroup was "C" (Asian), which prompted a backbone SNP test.  The SNP test result of M216- ruled out Hg C, while P19+ proved Hg I, which shows that, for rare haplotypes, a backbone SNP test can be essential for determining the correct haplogroup. 
Results of Deep SNP testing for #58687 are:
I yes I1 no I2a no  I2b1 no
P19+ P38+ M170+ M258+ P30- M253- M307- M21- M72- M227- P37.2- M26- M161- M223-
   

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What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers: 9 or less is a non-relative; 10-12, please see this table compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers: 21 or less is a non-relative; 22-25,
For 37 markers: 31 or less is a non-relative; 32-37,
For 67 markers: 59 or less is a non-relative; 60-67,
For 111 markers: 100 or less is a non-relative; 101-111,
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.

 
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