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Lineages and Results of Y-DNA Testing for STRAUB, TRAUB, STRAUBE, STROOP, STRUB,
and Variations, especially STROUP, STROUPE, TROUP, TROUPE, etc.
Haplogroup J2
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Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
(number tested at FTDNA + number tested elsewhere / number of different progenitors)
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E (1 / 1)  I1  (4 / 3) I1-L592 (31 / 1)  I2  (13 / 6) J2 (5 / 2) R1a (2 / 1) R1b (25 / 19) T (1 / 1)

The J2 subclade of Haplogroup J (see entries at Wikipedia and ISOGG) arose in the northern Fertile Cresent, roughly 18,500 ±3500 years ago.  It is widespread in western and central Asia, the Middle East, Northern and Eastern Africa, and southern and eastern Europe.  It is spread thinly across northern Europe and appears to have penetrated as far as Britain by the Neolithic. 
We have five project members who are Haplogroup J2, representing two subclades and two families,
plus some matching BIDDLEs who do not belong to the STRAUB project.
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J2-L24 1 STROUP Jacob STROUP II (1771-1846) of Cass [now Bartow] Co., GA 4
BIDDLE Andreas BÜTTEL (c1720s- ) 1752 immigrant to Philadelphia  (1)
BIDDLE David BIDDLE (c1850s- ) of Ohio > Indiana (1)
BIDDLE ? (1)
BUETTEL ? (1)
J2-L25 2 STROUP Partner of Mary "Polly" STROUP (1845/6-1922) of Gaston/Lincoln Co., NC 1

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Haplogroup J2-L24
Deme 1 BIDDLE-STROUP NPE
To view the subjects' lineages, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit# Ysearch
UserID
  Panel 1 Standard Markers 1-12   Panel 2 Standard Markers 13-25   Panel 3 Standard Markers 26-37   Panel 4 Standard Markers 38-67   Panel 5 Standard Markers 68-111   Known Lineage
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J2-L24 Modal Values     12 23 15 10 13 16 11 15 12 13 11 29   15 8 9 11 11 26 14 21 31 12 13 15 16   10 11 19 22 15 14 16 18 36 37 12 9   11 7 14 15 8 11 10 8 10 10 12 17 17 14 10 12 12 15 9 13 22 21 13 12 11 14 11 12 12 12   22 17 8 14 12 28 26 19 11 12 12 11 11 10 11 11 10 11 10 31  6 13 22 14 11 11 20 15 20 11 21 16 12 14 24 12 22 20 10 14 17 9 13 11    
                                         
STROUP 101308 5SHFH   12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29                                                                                             9                                                                 10                                                 Pvt7, Wm. F.6, Frederick Monroe5, William Andrew4, Jacob3, Adam2, Jacob II1
STROUP 216086     12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29   16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16   10 10 19 23 15 13 15 17 36 39 14 9                                                                                                                                                           Pvt6, Pvt5, Oscar Emory4, Jacob Alexander3, Benjamin Franklin2,
STROUP 101265     12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29   16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16   10 10 19 23 15 13 15 17 36 39 14 9   11 7 14 15 8 11 10 8 11  9 12 17 17 14 10 12 12 15 9 12 25 21 13 12 11 14 11 11 12 12                                                                                             Pvt6, Pvt5, Walter Council4, Walter B.3, Alexander2,
STROUP 33766     12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29   16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16   10 10 19 23 15 13 15 17 36 39 14 9                                                                                                                                                           Pvt6, Pvt5, Arthur Norris4, William Andrew3, Andrew Jackson2,
                                         
BIDDLE 494474     12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29   16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16   10 10 19 23 15 13 15 17 36 40 14 9   11 7 14 15 8 11 10 8 11  9 12 17 17 14 10 12 12 15 9 12 25 21 14 12 11 14 11 11 12 12                                                                                             Pvt8, Pvt7, James Alexander6, James Nelson5, Alexander4, John3, Jacob2, Andreas1 BÜTTEL (1747-1812) DEU > PA
BIDDLE1 ???????     12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29   16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16   ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 40 ? ?                                                                                                                                                           Pvt4, Richard Earl3, Garfield Arthur2, David1 BIDDLE of Ohio
BIDDLE2 A-DNA-1     12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29   16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16   10 10 19 23 15           14 9                                         12     14                                                     11 31 10 13 22 14 11                       23           14     Pvt... ?
BUETTEL2 A-DNA-2     12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 14 11 30             26   20 32 12 13 14 16   10 10 19 23 15           14 9                                                                                                                                                           Pvt... ?
1Tested at FTDNA, but Markers 26-37 unknown, unless this individual contacts me or joins the BIDDLE project.
2Tested at Ancestry.com.
Discussion:
The patrilineal descendants of Jacob STROUP II (1771-1846) match each other perfectly.  They do not, however, remotely match the Haplogroup I1 descendants of Jacob STROUP I (1722-1804/5) of Lincoln [now Gaston] Co., NC, alleged grandfather of Jacob II.  As it stands, the descendants of Jacob II do not match any other STROUPs so far tested for the project, so Jacob II's father remains unknown.  They do have a DNA match with a BIDDLE family, which suggests Jacob II was the one with the NPE
On paper, Jacob STRAUB II is the eldest son of Adam & Catherine (ALEXANDER) STRAUB.  The most likely explanation for Jacob II not being a DNA match with his alleged father is that he was Catherine's child from a prior marriage.  Unfortunately, the lack of early NC marriage records makes solving this mystery difficult.
Given their genetic distance from the modal haplotype at 37 markers (GD=14), it's not suprising that this haplotype is rare.  Other than their matches with each other, in the FTDNA database they have just three 12/12 matches, all outside the project (in surnames HARRIS, LEVY, and BIDDLE).  #33766 and #101265 continue to have a 25/25 match with the BIDDLE, and #33766 has a 35/37 match with the BIDDLE, while the matches with the other surnames fall away.  As of 24 Mar 2011, there is just one BIDDLE in the SMGF database and one in the Ysearch database, neither of whom is remotely a match.  Tinkering with the databases at Ysearch and SMFG, it appears that DYS385b=18 is the major sticking point in preventing matches.  According to SMGF, less than one percent of people tested are 13/18 at DYS385a/b.
This STROUP-BIDDLE match is looking like an NPE.  There had been no BIDDLE project at FTDNA, so I requested one, and now the BIDDLE Surname Project is open (15 Nov 2007).  I have repeatedly contacted the matching BIDDLE, but unfortunately have not had a reply.  Given that the "Y-DNA Matches" tab for #33766 shows the BIDDLE has a 12/12, 25/25, 35/37 match with our STROUPs, we can at least fill in the BIDDLE's first 25 markers.  So far, no one tested for the BIDDLE project matches out STROUPs or this BIDDLE.
UPDATE (30 Aug 2016):  a member of the BIDDLE Project (#494474) has matched our STROUPs at the level of 65/67, so the connection is good.
FTDNA has run a complimentary (free) backbone SNP test for #101308, with a result of M172+.  Your project admin recommends at least one of you (preferably the one who has tested the most markers, viz., #101265) undergo deep SNP testing to determine your most downstream SNP and J subclade.  Two of these individuals have joined the Haplogroup J project.  Based on their haplotypes, the project has placed them in the J-2a4h (L24+) subclade.  The values of 9 at DYS450 and 10 at DYS445 are correlated with being in that subclade.
Because of the rarity of this haplotype, your project admin recommends uploading your results to Ysearch, as an aid to J2 researchers and to make life easier for your project admin.  If you don't upload your data to Ysearch, I have to manually enter your data each time I want to do a search for matches for you.

Haplogroup J-2a4h-2 = J-L25
Deme 2 Descendant of Mary STROUP
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
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Haplotype as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
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J2 Modals 9EQTH 12 23 14 10 13 17 11 15 12 13 11 29 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 21 29 12 13 15 16 10 10 19 22 15 14 16 17 35 38 11 9 11 7 14 15 8 11 10 8 11  9 12 17 17 14 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 21 13 12 11 13 11 12 12 11 12 11 Modals compiled by Al Aburto, Jr., as of 24 Feb 2008 (n=2317).
                 
STROUPE 139760 JGDR4 12 23 15  9 14 15 11 15 13 14 11 30 12 8 9 11 11 26 14 21 31 11 13 14 16 10 11 19 20 16 14 17 19 36 38 12 9 11 7 14 15 8 11 10 8 10 12 12 17 17 17 10 12 12 16 9 13 22 21 16 12 12 15 11 12 12 12 6 8 Pvt5, Pvt4, William Glenn3, William Ellis2, Unknown1 & Mary "Polly" STROUP of Lincoln [now Gaston] Co., NC
This individual descends from Mary STROUP (1845/6-1922) of Gaston/Lincoln Co., NC.  Her partner is unknown, so there was no expectation that he would match either of the Lincoln County STROUP lines, and he doesn't.  As it happens, he matches no one, at all,  in the FTDNA, Ysearch, or SMGF databases, so we do not yet have a clue as to the identity of his patrilineal line. 
#139760 has been deep SNP tested with these results:
M172+ L26+ L27+ L24+ L25+  M158- M137- M318- M12-
The positive value for M172 proves he is J2; the positive values for L26 and L27 prove he is J-2a4; the positive value for L24 proves he is J-2a4h, and the positive value for L25 proves he is J-2a4h-2.  The negative value for M158 reduntantly proves he is not J-2a4h-1; and the negative values for M137 and M318 prove he is not those subclades of J-2a4h-2.  The negative value for M12 redundantly proves he is not J-2b.
     


What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers: 9 or less is a non-relative; for 10-12 markers, please see this table compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers: 21 or less is a non-relative; for 22-25 markers,
For 37 markers: 31 or less is a non-relative; for 32-37 markers,
For 67 markers: 59 or less is a non-relative; for 60-67 markers,
For 111 markers: 100 or less is a non-relative; for 101-111 markers,
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.

 
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