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Lineages and Results of Y-DNA Testing for STRAUB, TRAUB, STRAUBE, STROOP, STRUB, and Variations, especially STROUP
Haplogroup J
Results
Hub		 Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
(number tested at FTDNA + number tested elsewhere / number of different progenitors)		 Project
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E (1 / 1)  I1  (18 / 3)  I2  (5+1 / 4) J2 (3 / 1) R1a (2 / 1) R1b (13 / 11) T (1 / 1)
We have three members who are Haplogroup J2, which is widespread in western and central Asia, the Middle East, Northern and Eastern Africa, and southern and eastern Europe, but its highest concentrations are in the Middle East and Anatolia where it is presumed to have originated.  The J2 subclade is most frequent around the Mediterranean, spreading thinly northwards into Europe and southwards into northern Africa; it appears to have penetrated as far as Britain by the Neolithic. 
We have three project members who are Haplogroup J2.  All three are patrilineal descendants of Jacob STROUP II (1771-1846) of Lincoln Co., NC, then Cass [now Bartow] Co., GA, and they match each other perfectly.  These three do not, however, remotely match two Haplogroup I1 descendants of Jacob STROUP I (1724-1804) of Lincoln [now Gaston] Co., NC, alleged grandfather of Jacob I.  In fact, Jacob I turns out to be the son of Johann Pieter STRAUB I, the 1733 immigrant to Philadelphia.  As it stands, the three descendants of Jacob II do not match any other STROUPs so far tested for the project, so Jacob II's parentage remains unknown. 

I have begun a Node Chart for Jacob STROUP I and Jacob STROUP II, to demonstrate their true relationships (or, rather, lack of any). 
Haplogroup J Subclades as Defined by SNP Mutations
Mutations New Clades (2008) Old Clades (2005)
ISOGG FTDNA ISOGG FTDNA
M304 12f2a P209 S6 S34 S35 J J J J
__ M267 J1 J1 J1 J1
__ M62 J1a J1a J1a J1a
M365 J1b J1b J1b J1b
M390 J1c J1c J1e J1e
P56 J1d J1d    
P58 J1e J1e    
___ M367 M368 J1e1 J1e1 J1c J1c
M369 J1e2 J1e2 J1d J1d
M172 J2 J2 J2 J2
__ M410 J2a J2a J2a  
__ DYS413≤18 S57 J2a1   J2a1  
__ M47 M322 J2a1a J2a1 J2a1a J2a
M67 S51 J2a1b J2a2 J2a1b J2f
__ M92 M260 J2a1b1 J2a2a J2a1b1 J2f1
__ M327 J2a1b1a J2a2a1 J2a1b1a  
M163 M166 J2a1b2 J2a2b J2a1b2 J2f2
M68 J2a1c J2a3 J2a1c J2b
M158 J2a1d J2a5 J2a1e J2d
M319 J2a1e J2a8 J2a1h  
M339 J2a1f J2a9 J2a1i J2g
M419 J2a1g J2a11 J2a1j  
DYS445≤7 J2a1h   J2a1k  
__ M137 J2a1h1 J2a4 J2a1d J2c
M289 J2a1h2 J2a6 J2a1f  
M318 J2a1h3 J2a7 J2a1g  
P81 J2a1i J2a12    
P279 J2a1j J2a13    
M340 J2a2 J2a10 J2a2  
M12 M102 M221 M314 J2b J2b J2b/J2b1 J2e/J2e1
__ M205 J2b1 J2b1 J2b1b J2e2
M241 J2b2 J2b2 J2b1a  
__ M99 J2b2a J2b2a J2b1a1 J2e1a
M280 J2b2b J2b2b J2b1a2 J2e1c
M321 J2b2c J2b2c J2b1a3  
P84 J2b2d J2b2d    
DYS455≤9 J2b2e      
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Red labels indicate markers that typically mutate more frequently than those labeled in black. Marker 464 mutates most rapidly of all and sometimes has five to seven counts (a-g), not just four (a-d).
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Haplogroup J2
Surname Kit # Ysearch
User ID
SNP
Test		 Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67  
3
9
3		 3
9
0
19
/
3
9
4		 3
9
1		 a
|
3
8
5		 b
|
3
8
5		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 i
|
3
8
9		 3
9
2		 ii
|
3
8
9		 4
5
8		 a
|
4
5
9		 b
|
4
5
9		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9		 a
|
4
6
4		 b
|
4
6
4		 c
|
4
6
4		 d
|
4
6
4		 4
6
0		 H4
|
G
A
T
A		 IIa
|
Y
C
A		 IIb
|
Y
C
A		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 a
|
C
D
Y		 b
|
C
D
Y		 4
4
2		 4
3
8		 5
3
1		 5
7
8		 a
|
S1
3
9
5		 b
|
S1
3
9
5		 5
9
0		 5
3
7		 6
4
1		 4
7
2		 S1
4
0
6		 5
1
1		 4
2
5		 a
|
4
1
3		 b
|
4
1
3		 5
5
7		 5
9
4		 4
3
6		 4
9
0		 5
3
4		 4
5
0		 4
4
4		 4
8
1		 5
2
0		 4
4
6		 6
1
7		 5
6
8		 4
8
7		 5
7
2		 6
4
0		 4
9
2		 5
6
5		 4
4
5
J2 Modals 94QTH   12 23 14 10 13 17 11 15 11 13 11 29 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 29 13 13 15 16 10 10 19 22 15 14 16 17 35 38 11 9                                                               Modals compiled by Al Aburto, Jr. (n=304).
                 
STROUP 33766 -   12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16 10 10 19 23 15 13 15 17 36 39 14 9                                                               Pvt6, Pvt5, Arthur Norris4, William Andrew3, Andrew Jackson2, Jacob II1
STROUP 101265 -   12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16 10 10 19 23 15 13 15 17 36 39 14 9 11 7 14 15 8 11 10 8 11 9 12 17 17 14 10 12 12 15 9 12 25 21 13 12 11 14 11 11 12 12   Pvt6, Pvt5, Pvt4, Walter B.3, Alexander2, Jacob II1
STROUP 101308 - Basic 12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29                                                                                       9                       10 Pvt7, William F.6, Frederick Monroe5, William Andrew4, Jacob3, Adam Washington2, Jacob II1
BIDDLE1 - -   12 23 14 10 13 18 11 15 12 13 11 29 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 32 12 13 14 16                                                                                       -
1Markers 26-37 unknown, unless this individual contacts me or joins the BIDDLE project.
Given their genetic distance from the modal haplotype at 37 markers (GD=15), it's not suprising that this haplotype is rare.  On the other hand, given their haplotype's close resemblance to the model haplotype at 12 markers (GD=2), it's surprising that they have so few matches at that level.  Other than their matches with each other, in the FTDNA database they have just three 12/12 matches, all outside the project (in surnames HARRIS, LEVY, and BIDDLE).  #33766 and #101265 continue to have a 25/25 match with the BIDDLE, and #33766 has a 35/37 match with the BIDDLE, while the matches with the other surnames fall away.  As of 31 Oct 2007, there are no BIDDLE's in the SMGF or Ysearch databases.  Tinkering with the databases at Ysearch and SMFG, where in each case their closest 12-marker matches are 11/12, it appears that DYS385b=18 is the major sticking point in preventing matches, all the more so when in combination with DYS439=12. 
This STROUP-BIDDLE match is looking like an NPE, either on the part of the STROUPs or the BIDDLE.  If the former, the NPE had to have occurred earlier in their lineages than Jacob II; if the latter, it could have happened at any time because this BIDDLE does not match the other four BIDDLEs so far tested at FTDNA.  There had been no BIDDLE project at FTDNA, so I requested one, and now the BIDDLE Surname Project is open (15 Nov 2007).  With enough testing, we can uncover where the NPE occurred.  I have repeatedly contacted the matching BIDDLE, but unfortunately have not had a reply.  Given that the "Y-DNA Matches" tab for #33766 shows the BIDDLE has a 12/12, 25/25, 35/37 match with him, we can at least fill in the BIDDLE's first 25 markers.
FTDNA has run a complimentary (free) backbone SNP test for #101308, with a result of M172+ proving he is subclade J2.  Your project admin recommends at least one of you (preferably the one who has tested the most markers, viz., #33766) undergo deep SNP testing to determine your J2 subclade.
Because of the rarity of this haplotype, your project admin recommends uploading your results to Ysearch, as an aid to J2 researchers — and to make life easier for your project admin.  If you don't upload your data to Ysearch, I have to manually enter your data each time I want to do a search for matches for you.
     
What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers:  8 or less is a non-relative; 9-10 means only a small chance of a relationship; 11-12 means a possible relationship.
For 25 markers:  20 or less is a non-relative; 21-22 means only a small chance of a relationship; 23-25 means a possible relationship.
For 37 markers:  30 or less is a non-relative; 31-37, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 67 markers:  55 or less is a non-relative; 58-67, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.
 
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