R1b-BY3264 - Lineage III: Results of Y-DNA Testing for Surname LYON

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Lineages and Results of Y-DNA Testing for Surname LYON / LYONS
Haplogroup R1b-BY3264 — Lineage III

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Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
(number of individuals / number of families)

Member
Index

Earliest
Ancestor
Index

E
(3/2)

I1
(10/3)

I2
(12/3)

J1
(1/1)

J2
(3/3)

N
(1/1)

R1a
(3/2)

R1b
(77/32)

This group includes a noted LYON progenitor in the United States, namely, "Thomas LYON of Rye" (Westchester Co., NY).

Thomas LYON
of Byram, CT and Rye, NY

Henry LYONS
of France? and Orange Co., NY

The big surprise here is that descendants of Thomas LYON of Rye are not genetically related to descendants of Richard LYON of Fairfield or Henry LYON of Newark, because all three have long been alleged to be brothers (see Richard and Henry in the English: Middlesex Group). If the origin of this group truly is France, as alleged by one member (see lineages to the right in the table below), then it's no surpise that Thomas is not related to Richard or Henry, who appear to have an origin in Middlesex, England. The legend — and it has never been more than just a legend — that these three LYONs were brothers with an origin in Glen Lyon, Perthshire, Scotland, is not supported by genetic test results, nor is it supported by the history of Glen Lyon or the history of Clan Lyon.

They are "R1b-Lineage III" of the FTDNA-WFN Lyon(s) DNA Project.

Haplogroup R1b-BY3264
FTDNA SNP Path: R1b-M343/P25 > L389 > P297 > CTS623 > M269 > L150 > L23 > L51 > L151 > P311 > P312 > DF27 > Z195 > L176 > Z198 > CTS4188 > BY3254 > BY3264
To view lineages, please scroll to the right.

Surname

Kit#

Ysearch
UserID

Most
Down-
stream
Positive
SNP
Actually
Tested

Panel 1 — Standard Markers 1-12

Panel 2 — Standard Markers 13-25

Panel 3 — Standard Markers 26-37

Panel 4 — Standard Markers 38-67

Panel 5 — Standard Markers 68-111

Known Lineage

STR

PP3

PP5

MP6

MP7

MP8

MP9 [mixed]

MP10 [EA]

MP11 [SMGF]

MP12 [all new]

MP13 [mixed]

3
9
3

3
9
0

19
/
3
9
4

3
9
1

a
|
3
8
5

b
|
3
8
5

4
2
6

3
8
8

4
3
9

i
|
3
8
9

3
9
2

ii
|
3
8
9

4
5
8

a
|
4
5
9

b
|
4
5
9

4
5
5

4
5
4

4
4
7

4
3
7

4
4
8

4
4
9

a
|
4
6
4

b
|
4
6
4

c
|
4
6
4

d
|
4
6
4

4
6
0

H4
|
G
A
T
A

IIa
|
Y
C
A

IIb
|
Y
C
A

4
5
6

6
0
7

5
7
6

5
7
0

a
|
C
D
Y

b
|
C
D
Y

4
4
2

4
3
8

5
3
1

5
7
8

a
|
S1
3
9
5

b
|
S1
3
9
5

5
9
0

5
3
7

6
4
1

4
7
2

S1
4
0
6

5
1
1

4
2
5

a
|
4
1
3

b
|
4
1
3

5
5
7

5
9
4

4
3
6

4
9
0

5
3
4

4
5
0

4
4
4

4
8
1

5
2
0

4
4
6

6
1
7

5
6
8

4
8
7

5
7
2

6
4
0

4
9
2

5
6
5

7
1
0

4
8
5

6
3
2

4
9
5

5
4
0

7
1
4

7
1
6

7
1
7

5
0
5

5
5
6

5
4
9

5
8
9

5
2
2

4
9
4

5
3
3

6
3
6

5
7
5

6
3
8

4
6
2

4
5
2

4
4
5

A10
|
G
A
T
A

4
6
3

4
4
1

1B
07
|
GG
AA
T

5
2
5

7
1
2

5
9
3

6
5
0

5
3
2

7
1
5

5
0
4

5
1
3

5
6
1

5
5
2

7
2
6

6
3
5

5
8
7

6
4
3

4
9
7

5
1
0

4
3
4

4
6
1

4
3
5

R-P312 Modal Values

XQJ7H

K20 BY3264+ Modals

n=4 at 111 markers

Family Modal Values

6Y9H5

n=5 at 67 markers; n=3 at 111 markers

LYON

143139

JU8JG

Pvt¹¹, Pvt¹⁰,

Keith Percy⁹,

Warren Harvey⁸,

Harvey Lucius⁷,

Harvey⁶,

Amos⁵,

Caleb⁴,

Thomas³,

John²,

Thomas¹ LYON (1621-1690) of Fairfield, CT, and Rye, NY

LYON

504925

Pvt¹¹, Pvt¹⁰,

Harry Hamilton⁹,

Barnabas⁸,

Barnabas B.T.⁷,

John Linus⁶,

Thomas⁵,

Thomas⁴,

LYONS

174609

6UTZP

BY3264

Pvt¹¹, Pvt¹⁰,

Jonathan⁹,

Benjamin Hoshel⁸,

LYON

265953

Pvt¹⁰,

Pvt⁹,

Wm. Bridgeman⁸,

Warren Maitland⁷,

Wm. Bridgeman⁶,

Nathan⁵,

Daniel⁴,

Joseph³,

Thomas²,

LYONS

N26463

UJQTD

Pvt⁹, Pvt⁸, John⁷, George⁶, William⁵, Ransom⁴, David³, Justus² LYONS, Henry¹ LYON (c1750-1780) of France? and Orange Co., NY

Our subjects have no near matches at FTDNA or Ysearch, except with each other. Their lack of even near matches, except with each other, is a reflection of their strong difference from the R1b modal haplotype (only 48/67), especially in Panel 4, which is typically the least variable of the four panels. Their distinctive haplotype should continue to make identification of family members comparatively obvious.

#174609 has been deep SNP tested with the result that his most downstream positive SNP is BY3264. He has joined the Haplogroup SRY2627/L176.2 project, and they have placed him in their "K20 BY3264+" subgroup. The sample size for this group is quite small, so it can be expected that the modal values may change as it increases.

It seems more than likely, to me, that Henry LYON of Orange Co., NY, is a descendant of Thomas LYON connecting in the 5th generation (e.g., possibly as a son of Thomas⁴, who lived in adjacent Rockland Co., NY). A family legend that Henry was born in France could easily have arisen based on the family surname, alone, and no evidence has yet surfaced that he spoke French. The rare given name, "Justus," appears among LYONs in adjacent Westchester County, LYONs who descend from Thomas.

What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!

For 12 markers:	9 or less is a non-relative;	for 10-12 markers,	please see this table compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers:	21 or less is a non-relative;	for 22-25 markers,
For 37 markers:	31 or less is a non-relative;	for 32-37 markers,
For 67 markers:	59 or less is a non-relative;	for 60-67 markers,
For 111 markers:	100 or less is a non-relative;	for 101-111 markers,
For any test:	0 matching markers,		please contact NASA.

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