Continental-2a
Cluster
Deme 2
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| Surname |
Kit# |
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UserID |
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Panel 1 — Standard Markers
1-12 |
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Panel 2 — Standard Markers
13-25 |
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Panel 3 — Standard Markers
26-37 |
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Panel 4 — Standard Markers
38-67 |
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Panel 5 — Standard Markers
68-111 |
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Lineages |
| STR |
PP3 |
PP5 |
MP6 |
MP7 |
MP8 |
MP9 [mixed] |
MP10
[EA] |
MP11
[SMGF] |
MP12
[all new] |
MP13 [mixed] |
3
9
3 |
3
9
0 |
19
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3
9
4 |
3
9
1 |
a
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3
8
5 |
b
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3
8
5 |
4
2
6 |
3
8
8 |
4
3
9 |
i
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3
8
9 |
3
9
2 |
ii
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3
8
9 |
4
5
8 |
a
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4
5
9 |
b
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4
5
9 |
4
5
5 |
4
5
4 |
4
4
7 |
4
3
7 |
4
4
8 |
4
4
9 |
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4
6
4 |
b
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4
6
4 |
c
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6
4 |
d
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6
4 |
e
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4
6
4 |
f
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4
6
4 |
4
6
0 |
H4
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G
A
T
A |
IIa
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Y
C
A |
IIb
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Y
C
A |
4
5
6 |
6
0
7 |
5
7
6 |
5
7
0 |
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C
D
Y |
b
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C
D
Y |
4
4
2 |
4
3
8 |
5
3
1 |
5
7
8 |
a
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S1
3
9
5 |
b
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S1
3
9
5 |
5
9
0 |
5
3
7 |
6
4
1 |
4
7
2 |
S1
4
0
6 |
5
1
1 |
4
2
5 |
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4
1
3 |
b
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4
1
3 |
5
5
7 |
5
9
4 |
4
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6 |
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4 |
4
5
0 |
4
4
4 |
4
8
1 |
5
2
0 |
4
4
6 |
6
1
7 |
5
6
8 |
4
8
7 |
5
7
2 |
6
4
0 |
4
9
2 |
5
6
5 |
7
1
0 |
4
8
5 |
6
3
2 |
4
9
5 |
5
4
0 |
7
1
4 |
7
1
6 |
7
1
7 |
5
0
5 |
5
5
6 |
5
4
9 |
5
8
9 |
5
2
2 |
4
9
4 |
5
3
3 |
6
3
6 |
5
7
5 |
6
3
8 |
4
6
2 |
4
5
2 |
4
4
5 |
A10
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G
A
T
A |
4
6
3 |
4
4
1 |
1B
07
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GG
AA
T |
5
2
5 |
7
1
2 |
5
9
3 |
6
5
0 |
5
3
2 |
7
1
5 |
5
0
4 |
5
1
3 |
5
6
1 |
5
5
2 |
7
2
6 |
6
3
5 |
5
8
7 |
6
4
3 |
4
9
7 |
5
1
0 |
4
3
4 |
4
6
1 |
4
3
5 |
| MacLEOD
R1b modals |
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13 |
25 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
29 |
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16 |
9 |
11 |
11 |
11 |
26 |
15 |
19 |
31 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
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11 |
19 |
23 |
16 |
15 |
18 |
17 |
37 |
37 |
12 |
12 |
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9 |
15 |
16 |
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10 |
10 |
8 |
10 |
10 |
12 |
23 |
23 |
16 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
16 |
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12 |
22 |
20 |
15 |
12 |
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Modals for markers 1-67 per MacLeod Project
(Sep 2006) |
| Continental-2a
modals |
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15 |
23 |
15 |
10 |
15 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
32 |
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15 |
8 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
20 |
27 |
11 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
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11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
15 |
14 |
17 |
19 |
34 |
38 |
12 |
10 |
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11 |
8 |
15 |
16 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
10 |
9 |
12 |
21 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
9 |
14 |
27 |
20 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
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31 |
13 |
8 |
15 |
11 |
24 |
27 |
16 |
12 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
12 |
9 |
12 |
11 |
10 |
11 |
12 |
32 |
10 |
12 |
22 |
13 |
11 |
10 |
20 |
15 |
23 |
10 |
23 |
14 |
12 |
14 |
27 |
12 |
21 |
18 |
12 |
15 |
17 |
9 |
12 |
11 |
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modals per Hg I2-M223 Project (2 Feb 2012) |
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| RASEY |
69631 |
45ZVC |
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14 |
23 |
15 |
10 |
15 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
33 |
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16 |
8 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
20 |
27 |
11 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
14 |
14 |
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11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
17 |
17 |
36 |
39 |
12 |
10 |
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11 |
8 |
15 |
16 |
8 |
10 |
10 |
8 |
10 |
10 |
12 |
21 |
22 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
9 |
13 |
28 |
18 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
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31 |
13 |
8 |
15 |
11 |
25 |
27 |
16 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
12 |
9 |
12 |
11 |
10 |
11 |
12 |
30 |
10 |
12 |
22 |
14 |
11 |
10 |
16 |
15 |
23 |
11 |
23 |
14 |
13 |
14 |
27 |
12 |
22 |
18 |
13 |
15 |
17 |
9 |
12 |
11 |
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Pvt7, |
Donald Elza6, |
Ira
Cornelius5, |
John
C.4, |
Joseph3, |
John2, |
Joseph1
RASEY I |
| RASEY1 |
221356 |
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14 |
23 |
15 |
10 |
15 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
33 |
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17 |
8 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
20 |
27 |
11 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
14 |
14 |
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11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
17 |
17 |
36 |
39 |
12 |
10 |
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11 |
8 |
15 |
16 |
8 |
10 |
10 |
8 |
10 |
10 |
12 |
21 |
22 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
9 |
13 |
28 |
18 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
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31 |
13 |
8 |
15 |
11 |
25 |
27 |
16 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
12 |
9 |
12 |
11 |
10 |
11 |
12 |
30 |
10 |
12 |
22 |
14 |
11 |
10 |
21 |
15 |
23 |
11 |
23 |
14 |
13 |
14 |
27 |
12 |
21 |
18 |
13 |
15 |
17 |
9 |
12 |
11 |
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Pvt7, |
Virgil6, |
Sidney5, |
Charles4, |
Chester3, |
Silas2, |
| 1deep clade test pending (Batch
450: results expected 3/26).
Discussion:
| The Haplogroup
I2b1 Project has placed #69631 in the Continental 2a Cluster. |
| Our two descendants of Joseph RASEY I are a tight match (109/111),
supporting that they have a near common ancestor. They have no significant
matches with anyone else in the FTDNA database. |
| DYS712 is an extremely volatile marker, so a five-step mutation in
one of them is not an error. It should be counted as 1 for the purpose
of calculating GD (genetic distance). |
| At the time #69631 was tested, FTDNA was not displaying more than four
alleles at DYS464, even if someone had them, which he does. Now,
they display the additional alleles, but despite my asking them to display
them for #69631, the
FTDNA results page still shows only four. Having more than four
alleles at DYS464 is rare, occurring in only about 1.5% of tested individuals.
The two extra 14 alleles probably appeared in a single mutation event,
which duplicated the existing two 14 alleles. |
| Deme 2 has so few values in common with the MacLEOD family modal haplotype
that there is not the slighted possibility they are closely related to
them. Please see the discussion to the right. |
SNP Testing:
#69631 has been deep SNP tested, with these results:
| M223+ |
M284- L126- M379- P78- P95- L592- |
The positive value for M223 proves he is I2b1*. The negative
values prove he is none of the known subclades of I2b1. |
#69631 has now (10 Oct 2011) been tested for the WTY
program (GRC11054714), with these positive results:
| L15 L16 L34 L35 L36 L37 L41 L74 L181 L340 L350 L352 L380
L403 L460 L470 L503 L622 |
| M42 M89 M139 M170 M223 M294 |
P9.1 P38 P123 P143 P158 P214 P215 P217 P218 P222 P223 |
| SRY10831.1 |
V64 V174 V189 V202 V203 V205 V226 V235 V238 |
including these three new SNPs:
| V218.2 (ChrY:6722712 C to T) |
L800 (ChrY:7943549 G to A) |
L801 (ChrY:20223143 A to
C) |
As more people are taking these tests, it appears that V218.2 (a.k.a.,
V218) is synonymous with P19 and other SNPs defining Haplogroup I.
It also appears that L800 is synonymous with M223 and other SNPs definining
Haplogroup I2b1. However, L801 appears to distinguish the
various "Continental" STR clusters of M223, thus making our subject
the
founder of a new subclade, downstream of I2b1 (see SNP
chart above). The new SNPs appear on the FTDNA Draft
Tree, but not yet on the "official" FTDNA tree or at ISOGG (as of 30
Oct 2011). |
| Update (30 Nov 2011): as yet, the position of the L380
SNP on the Y-DNA haplotree is uncertain, but one way or another, it places
this RASEY family in a different subclade than the above RAZEE family. |
| Update (28 Mar 2012):
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| Th WTY test also revealed the "true" values at DYS464 for #69631, showing
six g-type alleles, rather than the four alleles shown in his standard
test taken back in 2006. Now (in 2012) FTDNA automatically reports
extra alleles at DYS464. |
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Alleged Connection to Malcolm MacLEOD
of the Isle of Raasay:
| Knowing just the haplogroup, alone, is enough to debunk the legend
of a connection between Joseph RASEY I and Malcolm MacLEOD of the Isle
of Raasay, Scotland, whose kin are Haplogroup
R1b — or to any other
MacLEOD lineage so far tested for the MacLEOD project. People in
different haplogroups cannot have had a common ancestor for thousands
of years. And given that the MacLEODs are different haplogroups from
our subject, we wouldn't expect their haplotypes to match or be even close
to our subject. This expectation is overwhelmingly realized by comparing
the Joseph RASEY descendant's haplotype to the modal R1b marker frequencies
in the MacLEOD project (see above). They have only a 0/12, 3/25,
7/37, or 22/67 correspondence — a
resounding non-match! |
| If you examine the
Y-DNA test results at the MacLEOD web site, you will note most of the
subjects are R1b, with a sizable number also being R1a, which indicates
that the surname has at least two different, unrelated progenitors.
There are, no doubt, some additional separate lines within each haplogroup,
which we would expect for any surname that is derived from a patronymic.
In other words, not everyone surnamed MacLEOD will be a descendant of Leod,
Chief I — though Malcolm MacLEOD of Raasay supposedly is. |
| You will also note that among MacLEOD test results (as of 25 May 2008)
just nine individuals are not R1a or R1b. Specifically: one
is E3b and eight are I1. Not one test subject in the MacLEOD project
is Haplogroup I2, so no recent connection to our RASEY line is even
remotely possible with any MacLEOD so far tested. And, most importantly,
the progenitor to whom our Joseph RASEY is supposedly connected (viz.,
Leod, Chief I) has been well-tested by many purported descendants, and
we are simply
not related to them. I'm sorry, but the legend
of Joseph RASEY's origin as a MacLEOD of Raasay is just that, a fanciful
legend — one that is untrue. |
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