Willis Green THURMAN & Louisa HILL

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Willis Green THURMAN
Louisa PEYTON

Please Note: our subject is not the Willis THURMAN (b. 1841) who fought in the Civil War — see Source 8 (below) and his family group sheet.

Husband: Willis Green THURMAN
Birth: 1809/10, KY
Death (age 57): ca. 1867, Lincoln Co., KY
Occupation: farmer
Father: Henry Logan THURMAN, b. 1788/9, GA; d. aft. 1860 census — s/o Absolom THURMAN
Mother: Mary "Polly" KENLEY, b. 1788/9, KY; d. aft. 1860 census

Marriage: 17 Jun 1833, Lincoln Co., KY

Wife: Louisa / Levisa PEYTON
Birth: ca. 1810, KY
Death: aft. 1880 census, Lincoln Co., KY
Occupation: homemaker
Other Spouse: m1. 18 Apr 1825, Lincoln Co., KY, Thomas P. HILL (1803-1829)
Other Children: Mary HILL (c1826- ); Col. Thomas P. HILL (1828- )
Father: Randolph PEYTON (1781-1850)
Mother: Mary SPEED (1782- )

Children — born in Lincoln Co., KY:

1. Jefferson Speed THURMAN, b. 19 Mar 1834; d. Dec 1925
2. Henry Randolph THURMAN, b. 1835/6
3. Amanda M. THURMAN, b. 1838
4. George Givens THURMAN, b. 1841/2
5. Permelia C. THURMAN, b. 9 Mar 1845
6. Caroline Ball "Carrie" THURMAN, b. Sep 1849
7. Armstead Felen THURMAN, b. 1852/3

Keywords for search engines: genealogy; USA, US, United States, Georgia, Kentucky

Sources:

1. Jordan Dodd. 1997. Kentucky Marriages, 1802-1850 (online at Ancestry.com):

Hill, Thomas Peyton, Louisa Apr 18, 1825 Lincoln Co.

Thurman, Willis G Hill, Levisa Jun 17, 1833 Lincoln Co.

2. 1840 U.S. Census Index/Images (online at Ancestry.com, Image #49-50 of 74; official enumeration began 1 Jun 1840; extracted by Diana Gale Matthiesen):

1840 KY Lincoln Co. Roll 117 pp. 105B-106A Ln. 1 Welles/Willis Thurman 110 001 - 100 001 000000-100000 _______

These data indicate:

No. & Sex Age Class Therefore Born Individuals Inferred

1 white male 4 or under 1835-1840 = Henry (b. 1835/6)

1 white male 5-9 1830-1835 = Jefferson (b. 1834)

1 white male 30-39 1800-1810 = Willis (b. 1809/10)

1 white female 4 or under 1835-1840 = Amanda (b. 1837/8)

1 white female 30-39 1800-1810 = Louisa (b. ca. 1810)

1 female slave 9 or under 1830-1840 = ?

3a. 1850 U.S. Census Every-Name-Index/Images (online at Ancestry.com, Image #7 of 71): District No. 1, Lincoln Co., KY, Roll M432_210, p. 244A, 39/39, enumerated 7 Aug 1850, official enumeration date 1 Jun 1850 (extracted by Diana Gale Matthiesen):

Willis Thurman 40 M Farmer 2280 Ky

Louisa Thurman 40 F "

Jefferson S Thurman 16 M Farmer "

Henry B Thurman 14 M "

Amanda M Thurman 12 M "

George G Thurman 8 M "

Permelia C Thurman 5 F "

Caroline B Thurman 8/12 F "

3b. 1850 Slave Schedule Index/Images (online at Ancestry.com; Image #4 of 20): District No. 1, Lincoln Co., KY, p. 118, enumerated 6 Aug 1850, official enumeration date 1 Jun 1850 (extracted by Diana Gale Matthiesen):

Names
of
Slave Owners Number
of
Slaves Description Fugitive
from the
State Number
manumitted Deaf & dumb,
blind, insane,
or idiotic.

Age Sex Colour

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

7 Willis Thurman 1 19 M B

8 2 18 F M

9 3 5 F B

10 4 3 F B

Ancestry has indexed the names in the Slave Schedules as if they are the names of the slaves, so our subject is indexed as a 19-year-old Black man.

4. 1860 U.S. Census Every-Name-Index/Images (online at Ancestry.com, Image #38-39 of 159 — indexed "Willes"): Lincoln Co., KY, Roll M653_382, PN 47-48, 305/305, enumerated 9 Jul 1860, official enumeration date 1 Jun 1860 (extracted by Diana Gale Matthiesen):

Willis G Thurman 51 M Farmer 6200 4000 K

Louisa     " 52 F "

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Amanda Thurman 20 F K

Pamelia   " 15 F "

George    " 18 M "

Carrie    " 20 F "

A M       " 7 M "

Listed next to Willis's (very wealthy) parents, Henry THURMAN (æ 71, b. GA) & Mary (æ 71, b. KY), et al.

4b. 1860 Slave Schedule Index/Images (online at Ancestry.com): Willis THURMAN not found, though Jefferson THURMAN and Henry THURMAN are shown as slave owners.

5. U.S. IRS Tax Assessment Lists, 1862-1918 (online at Ancestry.com): on the 1863 list, Willis G. THURMAN appears "near Stanford" in Lincoln Co., KY. He was taxed for, among other things, a "horse rockaway," a kind of horse-drawn carriage.

6. 1870 U.S. Census Every-Name-Index/Images (online at Ancestry.com, Image #26 of 107): Stanford P.O., Stanford Pct., Lincoln Co., KY, Roll M593_482, p. 77B, PN 26, 175/158, enumerated 17 Jun 1870 , official enumeration date 1 Jun 1870 (extracted by Diana Gale Matthiesen):

King Henry W 22 M W Farmer 652 Kentucky

____ Carry B 20 F W Keeps house Kentucky

____ Jennie L 1 F W Kentucky

Thurman Louisa 65 F W lives on family 1700 Kentucky

_______ George G 26 M W works on farm 150 Kentucky

_______ Armstead F 16 M W works on farm Kentucky

7. 1880 U.S. Census Every-Name-Index/Images (online at Ancestry.com, Image #24 of 43): Pct. No. 1, Lincoln Co., KY, Roll 428, p. 174D, PN 4, SD 3, ED 66, enumerated 11 Jun 1880, official enumeration date 1 Jun 1880 (extracted by Diana Gale Matthiesen):

1880: for an explanation of the column headings, please see
What the Numbers in the Federal Census Mean (missing columns contained no data).

1 2 3 4 5 6 9 11 13 22 23 24 25 26

184 204 Thurmond L W F 71 / Keep House KY " "

" Armp? Armƒ? W M 25 / work on farm / / KY KY KY

" George W F 36 / work on farm KY KY KY

8. 1890 U.S. Census: the 1890 Census Population Schedules were destroyed.

9. Find-a-Grave: Entries (online at findagrave.com):

Name Armstead F Thurman

Birth unknown

Death 1910

Note Section: D-1
May 16, 1910 Leader
Mr. Amsted F. Thurman, 55, died at the home of his niece, Mrs. T.A. Van Arsdale, on East Sixth Street, Sunday afternoon.

Burial Lexington Cemetery
Lexington, Fayette Co., KY

Memorial # 100792074

"Mrs. Theodore A. VAN ARSDALE" is Florence (GALLAGHER) VAN ARSDALE, wife of Theodore A. VAN ARSDALE and daughter of Armstead's sister, Permelia C. (THURMAN) GALLAGHER.

10. Civil War Pension Index (index and images online at Ancestry.com):

People submitting Public Member Trees at Ancestry.com are attaching this index card to our subject, but this Willis THURMAN, is not our subject. His Civil War Enlistment Record (see family group sheet) shows that this Willis THURMAN was age 23 when he enlisted, but more to the point: "U.S.C. Inf." means U.S. Colored Infantry. This Willis THURMAN was a black man fighting for the Union.
This index card is the apparent source of the "aft. 16 Jun 1890" death date most secondary sources have for our subject, but clearly, this date does not apply to our subject. The last record I've found for our subject was the 1863 tax roll (see above).

11. The Civil War: Soldiers and Sailors Database (online at www.nps.gov): according to this database, only three Willis THURMANs fought in the Civil War: two were Black men who fought for the Union; the third was a White man, Willis W. THURMAN of Tennessee, who fought for the Confederacy.

12a. Public Member Trees (online at Ancestry.com).

12b. "Thurman History" (attached to a Public Member Tree at Ancestry.com; originally shared by "jshuster1"):

The date and author of this typewritten letter are not given. I've extracted just the genealogically significant part pertaining to our subject. Boldface added.

"It is a little hard to unscramble the information that I have. I hope it is accurate...
"Your great great grandfather was Willis Green Thurman. He married Louisa Peyton. Their children were Jefferson Speed, Henry Randolph, Amanda, Malvina, Pernelis (sic), Crow, George Givens, Carrie Ball, Armsted Felen... (Willis Green died of "flux" at 57)"
"Your great great great grandfather was Henry Thurman*who married Polly Kenley...
"Your great great great great grandfather was Absolom Thurman. He originally came from Georgia and settled in Lincoln County, Kentucky..."

It's tempting to drop out the commas and read "Amanda Malvina" and "Pernelis Crow" as two individuals, not four, because the middle initials fit and the other children were given middle names, but clearly the commas are there. Without additional evidence, I think it would be premature to ignore them.

13. WorldConnect / Ancestry World Trees (online at RootsWeb.com/Ancestry.com).

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