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Lineages and Results of Y-DNA Testing for STRAUB, TRAUB, STRAUBE, STROOP, STRUB,
and Variations, especially STROUP, STROUPE, TROUP, TROUPE, etc.
Haplogroup I2
Results
Hub		 Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
(number tested at FTDNA + number tested elsewhere / number of different progenitors)		 Project
Home
E (1 / 1)  I1  (4 / 3) I1-AS5 (23 / 1)  I2  (5+1 / 4) J2 (4 / 2) R1a (2 / 1) R1b (14 / 12) T (1 / 1)
Haplogroup I is found almost exclusively in Europe where it is represented in about 20% of the population, making it the second most common haplogroup in western Europe, after R1b.  Overall, Hg I has a broad European distribution, from the British Isles east to the Ural Mountains of Russia and south to Anatolia and the Mediterranean Sea.  Hg I is divided into two main subclades (groups):  I1, which is the most common form of Hg I in northwestern Europe, and I2, which is the most common form of Hg I in eastern Europe.  In terms of frequency, subclade I2 is much less common than I1. 
It's difficult to generalize about I2 because it contains a number of geographically separate subgroups.  The two main divisions of I2 are I2a and I2b.  Some varieties of I2a are concentrated in the Balkans and are called "Dinaric" (named for a mountain range there, the Dinaric Alps), while others are found around the Baltic and North Sea coastal areas, another in the British Isles, and another in Sardinia and Iberia.  One subgroup of I2b, called "Isles," is almost exclusive to the British Isles, with a high concentration in Scotland, while the main subgroup of I2b, dubbed "Continental," is most common in northwestern Europe, southern Scandinavia, and Britain. 
Unlike Haplogroup I1, which is universally 8 at marker DYS455, Haplogroup I2 is usually 11 (sometimes 10 and very rarely 9) at this marker.
We have six members who are I2:  two who are I2a and four who are I2b.
I2a I2b
I2a2 = I-M423 - Dinaric-S
(n = 2 / 1)		 I2b1a = I-M284 - IslesS
(n = 1 / 1)		 I2b1c = I-P78 - Continetal-3a
(n = 1 /1)		 I2b2 = I-L38 - A
(n = 2 / 1)
n = testees / lineages
Ken Nordtvedt is the guru researching Hg I subclades (see his Excel spreadsheet).  For a table showing modal haplotypes for Hg I varieties in FamilyTreeDNA marker order, please also see my HTML transcription of Nordtvedt's spreadsheet.
Y-DNA Haplogroup I2 SNPs and Subclades
Nordtvedt's Chart ISOGG Chart FTDNA Chart
Subclade Defining SNPs Subclade Defining SNPs Subclade Defining SNPs
I M170 M258 P19 P38 rs17249889 I M170 M258 P19 P38 P212 U179 I M170 M258 P19 P38 P212 U179
 
I2 all of I and M438=P215=S31
rs35547782 S150=L35? S153=L37?		 I2 all of I and L68 M438=P215=S31 I2 all of I and P215
 
I2a all of I2 and P37.2 I2a all of I2 and P37.2 I2a all of I2 and P37.2
I2a1 all of I2a and M26 I2a1 all of I2a and M26 I2a1 all of I2a and M26
I2a1a all of I2a1 and M161 I2a1a all of I2a1 and M161 I2a1a all of I2a1 and M161 
I2a2 all of I2a and M423 I2a2 all of I2a and M423 I2a2 all of I2a and M423
I2a2a all of I2a2 and rs9786274=T I2a2a all of I2a2 and P41.2=M359.2 I2a2a  all of I2a2 and P41.2
I2a2a1 all of I2a2a and M359=P41.2        
    I2a2b all of I2a2 and L69.2(=T)=S163.2    
 
I2b all of I2 and P214=S33 P216=S30
P217=S23 P218=S32		 I2b all of I2 and M436=P214=S33
P216=S30 P217=S23 P218=S32		 I2b all of I2 and P214 P216 P217 P218
I2b1 all of I2b and L34=S151 L36=S152
L59=S157 M223 P219=S24 P220=S119
P221=S120 P222=S118 P223=S117		 I2b1 all of I2b and M223 P219=S24 P220=S119
P221=S120 P222=U250=S118 P223=S117		 I2b1 all of I2b and M223 P219-P223
I2b1a all of I2b1 and M284 I2b1a all of I2b1 and M284 I2b1a all of I2b1 and M284
    I2b1a1 all of I2b1a and L126=S165 L137=166    
    I2b1b all of I2b1 and M379 I2b1b all of I2b1 and M379
I2b1c all of I2b1 and P78 I2b1c all of I2b1 and P78 I2b1c all of I2b1 and P78
I2b1d all of I2b1 and P95 I2b1d all of I2b1 and P95 I2b1d all of I21b and P95
I2b2 all of I2b and L38=S154 L39=S155
L40=S156 L65=S159		 I2b2 all of I2b and L38=S154
L39=S155 L40=S156 L65=S159		 I2b2 all of I2b and L38 L39 L40 
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I2a2 = M423-Dinaric-S
The haplotype of these individuals most resembles the modal haplotypes of the Dinaric varieties of I2a2 found most frequently in Germany, eastern Europe, and the Balkans.  The region of the Dinaric Alps (a mountain chain in southeastern Europe spanning Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro, and Albania) is believed to have been the refugium for this population during the last glacial maximum, hence its name, "Dinaric."
To view the subjects' lineages, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
Code		 Most
Downstream
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Tested		 Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
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Eastern European I2 UZY58   13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 13 13 11 31 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 20 32 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 17 18 34 35 11 10                                                             As per Carl-Johan Swärdenheim, Scandinavian Project Admin (12 Jul 2007).
M423-DinS modals     13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 13 13 11 31 17 8 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12         11 10 11 8 15 15 7 12 10 8 11 9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 7 10 30 21 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 9 As per Nordtvedt (6 May 2009); markers in orange characteristic of Dinaric-S.
                 
STROUP 92668 VQ3AU P37.2 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8  9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15                                                                                     Pvt8, Pvt7, Nelson Walter6, Charles Nelson5, Isaac William4, Joseph3, Anthony2,(Adam?) Michael1 — MD to PA
STROUP 117164 9DUJU M423 13 24 16 11 14 15 11 13 12 13 11 30 18 8  9 11 11 25 15 19 30 12 14 15 15 10 10 21 21 15 12 18 17 34 35 11 10 11 8 15 15 7 12 10 8 11 9 12 22 22 16 10 12 12 12 7 10 32 21 13 14 10 13 11 11 12 9 Pvt6, Pvt5, Carey Daniel4, Jacob Ulysses3, James Polk2, Jacob1 — PA to Grant Co., IN
This match came as a surprise given that a paper connection between these two individuals is unknown.  At 12 markers, they have a dozen or so full matches (in other surnames) in the FTDNA database; and at 25 markers, they have a few near matches (in German and Slavic surnames) in the Ysearch database, but no full matches.  Their haplotype remains unique at 25 markers.  Your project admin recommends #92668 also upgrade to 67 markers.  It isn't actually important that he upgrade, now, but eventually it will be as more of these STROUPs are tested.  I'm assuming eventually many will be tested because the family proliferated early, especially in Highland Co., OH, so there must be a great many descendants.
#117164 is a strong match with 67-marker modal haplotype of Nordtvedt's "Dinaric-S" variety of M423 (= I2a2).
#117164 has undergone deep SNP testing, and his results are:
P37.2+ M423+ P41.2- M26- 
The positive result for P37.2 proves he is I2a, and the positive result for M423 proves he is I2a2.  The negative result for M26 rules out 12a1, and the negative result for P41.2 rules out I2a2a.
Under FamilyTreeDNA's "Haplogroup Assurance" program, #92668 has been given a complementary backbone SNP test showing he is positive for P37.2.  He was not tested for any downstream SNPs, but his results should be the same as #117164, so I do not recommend this individual be deep SNP tested.  I do recommend he upgrade to 67 markers.
   
I2b1a = I-M284 = M284-IslesS
Rare, and found (almost?) exclusively in the British Isles, especially Scotland.  Thought to have arrived in the British Isles in pre-Roman times.
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
User ID
SNP
Tests		 Haplotype— as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67 SMGF Markers
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Modal values for M284-IslesS 15 24 15 10 15 16 11 13 11 13 12 29 16  8  9 11 11 26 15 20 28 11 11 14 15 11 10 19 21 14           12 10 11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 10 9 0 19 21 16 11 12 12   9 14     10   11 13 11 11 12 11 12 12 13 19 11 14 11 31 20 Modals per Nordtvedt.  Core markers highlighted in yellow and/or boldface.
                   
STROUP SMGF     15 24 15 11 15 16 11 13 11 14 12 30 16  8  9 11 11 26 15 20 27         11 10 19 21 14           12 10                                       14     10               12 12 13 19 11 14 11 32 20 Pvt8, Pvt7, Francis6, George5, Daniel4, William3, Joh. Wilhelm2, Johannes1 — Germany > NY in 1710
This individual was tested at SMGF, the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation.  SMGF tests a different suite of markers than FTDNA, but 30 of their 39 markers are in common as can be seen above (please scroll to the right to see the markers not in common with FTDNA).
The pedigree at SMGF takes our subject only back as far as George5, but we known him as a descendant of Johannes1 STRAUB, the 1710 immigrant to New York and earliest know STRAUB immigant to the U.S.  Most of Johannes's descendants converted first to STRAUP, then to STROPE (or STROPES), but this line converted to STROUP.  Johannes has many descendants, so these results are a welcome addition to the project.
The subject has a close fit to the modal M284-IslesS variety as defined by Nordtvedt.  His particular haplotype is rare, with no matches at Yhrd.org or Ybase.org and only two 12/12 matches (in other surnames) at Ysearch.org.  The subject's possession of this haplotype raises the question as to whether there is an adoption or hidden paternity in his ancestry because, up til now, all known individuals with this haplotype are from the British Isles, predominantly from Scotland. We need at least one more descendant of Johannes STRAUB to be tested to confirm or refute the connection.
Unfortunately, the SMGF database gives no possible way to contact a test subject.  If you are the test subject and are reading this, please contact me (email link below).  I would also strongly encourage you to upload your test results to Ysearch, to make them more easily accessible.
     
I2b1c = I-P78 - Continental-3a
Continental is the most common form of I2b.  It is found thinly thoughout Europe, but is concentrated in central and northern Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark.
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
User ID
Most
Downstream
SNP
actually
tested		 Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
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P78-Cont3a Modal values 15 23 15 10 16 17 11 13 11 13 12 29 16 8  9 11 11 24 14 20 27 14 15 16 16 11 10 19 21 14 16         12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 13 x 20 10 13 12 13 11 12 12 11 Key Continental-3a markers highlighted in yellow.
                 
STRAUB 38897 EM4NU M223 14 22 16 10 16 18 11 13 11 13 13 29 17 8  9 11 11 23 14 20 27 14 15 16 16 11 10 19 21 14 16 18 22 35 38 13 10                                                             Pvt6, George Irvin5, Joseph Franklin4, Joseph3, Henry2, Henry1 — of Northumberland Co., PA
#38897 has a rare haplotype with no full or near matches within the project (has one 12/12 match outside the project in another surname), but no full or near matches at 25 or 37 markers.
Based on the STR haplotype, this line is deduced to be P78-Cont3 (as per communication from Ken Nordtvedt) and most resembles 3a.
FTNDA has given our subject a complimentary Y-HAP-backbone test, with his results being P19+ and M223+.  Your project admins recommends deep SNP testing to confirm that he is P78+.
   
I2b2 = I-L38 = L38-A
This subclade is uncommon:  based on the database at SMGF, only about 0.5% of European Hg I are I2b2.  Geographically widespread in western Europe, from Iberia, France, and Italy to Germany and Denmark, but absent from Sweden and Norway.
To view the subjects' lineages, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
User ID
Most
Downstream
SNP		 Haplotype— as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
3
9
3		 3
9
0
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9
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5
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6
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6
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6
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L38-A Modal Values 13 25 16 11 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 28 16 8 10 10 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14         11 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 11 9 12 21 22 x 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 14 11 12 12 11 Defining markers highlighted in yellow.
                 
STRAUP 26031 E3BJM P19 13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 8 10  9 12 23 15 19 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 42 13 10                                                             Pvt7, Earl Frank6, William E.5, James F. STRAUP4, Thomas3, David2, Theobald/Dewald STRAUB1 — of Carbon Co., PA
STROUP 58687   M258 13 25 17 10 13 16 11 13 11 12 11 30 16 8 10  9 12 24 15 19 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 18 17 34 41 13 10 11 8 15 16 8 12 10 8 11 9 12 21 21 16 11 12 12 16 8 13 23 21 11 13 12 15 11 12 12 11 Pvt6, Pvt5, Bert S.4, Jonathan Samuel3, Jacob2, Peter1 — of Perry Co., PA
These two individuals have rare haplotypes.  They have no full or near matches at 25 or 37 markers (except with each other) making their haplotypes, at least for now, unique and easily distinguishable.  We do not know how these two subjects connect, but I suspect they are both related to Andreas STRAUB I, the 1742 immigrant to Lancaster Co., PA.  We need a known patrilineal descendant of Andreas to be tested!
Standard testing does not reveal the order of Markers DYS 385a and 385b.  By convention, they are reported lo-hi.  A Kittler test can reveal the true order of these alleles; and, in the case of L38-A, Kittler testing has revealed that their order is actually hi-lo.  Your project admin recommends at least one of you get a Kittler test to determine your ordering of these alleles.  Even though the result is almost certain to be hi-lo, it's "good science" to be certain.
Based on #26031's haplotype, FTDNA tentatively predicted his haplogroup was "C" (Asian), which prompted a backbone SNP test.  The SNP test result of M216- ruled out Hg C, while P19+ proved Hg I, which shows that, for rare haplotypes, a backbone SNP test can be essential for determining the correct haplogroup. 
Based on Nordtvedt's research, our subjects show an overall resemblance to the modal haplotype of his L38-A variety, yet their haplotype fails at a key (i.e., extremely slow mutating) marker, namely DYS455 (green table cells).
Results of Deep SNP testing for #58687 are:
I — yes I1 — no I2a — no  I1b2a — no
P19+ P38+ M170+ M258+ P30- M253- M307- M21- M72- M227- P37.2- M26- M161- M223-
The positive tests for P19, P38, M170, and M258 prove that he is Hg I, while the negative results for P30, M253, M307, M21, M72, and M227 rule out I1 and all of its subclades (see I1 table), meaning he is proven to be I2.  The negative results for P37.2, M26, and M161 rule out I2a and its subclades (see I2 table above).  The negative result for M223 rules out any subclade of I2b1.  Since our subject was tested, a SNP has been discovered that defines subclade I2b2 (viz., L38), and your project admin recommends taking further deep SNP testing.
   
What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers:  9 or less is a non-relative; 10-12, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers:  21 or less is a non-relative; 22-25, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 37 markers:  31 or less is a non-relative; 32-37, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 67 markers:  55 or less is a non-relative; 56-67, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.
 
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