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Ysearch
User ID |
Haplotype—
as determined by Family Tree DNA's "Standard" STR tests |
Known
Lineage |
| Markers 1-12 |
Markers 13-25 |
Markers 26-37 |
Markers 38-67 |
3
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3 |
3
9
0 |
19
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3
9
4 |
3
9
1 |
a
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3
8
5 |
b
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3
8
5 |
4
2
6 |
3
8
8 |
4
3
9 |
i
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3
8
9 |
3
9
2 |
ii
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3
8
9 |
4
5
8 |
a
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4
5
9 |
b
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4
5
9 |
4
5
5 |
4
5
4 |
4
4
7 |
4
3
7 |
4
4
8 |
4
4
9 |
a
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4
6
4 |
b
|
4
6
4 |
c
|
4
6
4 |
d
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4
6
4 |
e
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4
6
4 |
f
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4
6
4 |
4
6
0 |
H4
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G
A
T
A |
IIa
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Y
C
A |
IIb
|
Y
C
A |
4
5
6 |
6
0
7 |
5
7
6 |
5
7
0 |
a
|
C
D
Y |
b
|
C
D
Y |
4
4
2 |
4
3
8 |
5
3
1 |
5
7
8 |
a
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S1
3
9
5 |
b
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S1
3
9
5 |
5
9
0 |
5
3
7 |
6
4
1 |
4
7
2 |
S1
4
0
6 |
5
1
1 |
4
2
5 |
a
|
4
1
3 |
b
|
4
1
3 |
5
5
7 |
5
9
4 |
4
3
6 |
4
9
0 |
5
3
4 |
4
5
0 |
4
4
4 |
4
8
1 |
5
2
0 |
4
4
6 |
6
1
7 |
5
6
8 |
4
8
7 |
5
7
2 |
6
4
0 |
4
9
2 |
5
6
5 |
| I1-AngloSaxon-5
modal values |
14 |
22 |
14 |
10 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
20 |
28 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
10 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
|
|
|
|
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
25 |
20 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
as per Nordtvedt |
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| 0 |
STROUP |
78741 |
H5K5T |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt11, Pvt10, Warren
LeRoy9, Samuel
Tilden8, Jacob7,
Jonathan6,
Joh.
Adam5, Joh.
Daniel4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STROUPE |
94379 |
|
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt11, Pvt10, M.H.9,
James
Henderson8, Ephraim7,
[David-or-Elias]6,
Philip5,
Joh.
Jacob
I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STROUP |
145951 |
|
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt10, Pvt9, Sydney
Shuford8,
Malcolm
Napoleon7, Levi6,
Philip5,
Joh.
Jacob I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STROUPE |
143321 |
|
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt11, Pvt10, Aaron Hubert9,
Michael
Luther8, John
Michael7, Abner
Albert6, Daniel5,
Joh.
Jacob I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| BELEW |
97358 |
SYHF3 |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt5, Pvt4, John
Larkin3, Silas2,
Solomon1
BELEW
— presumed descendant of Andrew6,
Adam5,
Joh.
Jacob
I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STRAUB |
26156 |
BUHB7 |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt5, William Albert4,
Albert
Roy3, George
Washington2, Andrew
S.1 |
| 1 |
STRAUB |
23492 |
EJJQA |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
12 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt5, William Albert4,
Albert
Roy3, George
Washington2, Andrew
S.1 |
| STROUP |
124348 |
2KGR5 |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt5, Charles Henry4,
William
Hostetler3, Levi
B.2, Moses1 |
| STROUPE |
118841 |
|
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt11, Pvt10, Paul
Clifton9,
William
Henry8, Silas7,
Joseph6,
Adam5,
Joh.
Jacob
I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STRAUB |
32866 |
87BF4 |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
21 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt10, Walter
Larue9,
Lewis8,
Samuel
Daniel7, Isaac6,
Joh.
Heinrich5, Joh.
Carl4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| CRUMP |
50052 |
WD24Q |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
36 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt4, Pvt3, Richard Lexington2,
William
Waitsel1 PRESTWOOD-CRUMP
— presumed descendant of Joh.
Jacob
I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STROUPE |
74957 |
RMR7C |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
15 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt10, Andrew Jackson9, Alfred
Isaiah8, Ephraim
Daniel7, Matthew
Wallace6, Daniel5,
Joh.
Jacob
I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STROUP |
24212 |
345AZ |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
25 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt10, Lawrence Everett9, David
King8, Adam7,
Andrew
Adam6, Adam5,
Joh.
Pieter II4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STROUPE |
130123 |
3NQW5 |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
10 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt8, Pvt7, Sidney Crockett6,
William
Henry5, Charles
H.4, Andrew3,
John2,
John
Peter1 |
| STROUP |
138214 |
NNNEK |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
10 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt12, Pvt11, Clementine
T.10,
William
Aheart9, Sylvester
Aheart7, Philip6,
Philip5,
Joh.
Jacob
I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STROUP |
116646 |
|
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
20 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt12, Pvt11, Goodell Wilson
Jennings10, Clay
Goodelle9, Wilson
W.8, Samuel7,
Peter6,
Andrew5,
Joh.
Pieter II4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| STRAUB |
111298 |
47F2N |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
20 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt11, Pvt10, Otto
Ludwig9, Johann
Ludwig8, Philipp
Dietrich7, Philipp
Dietrich6,
Georg
Michael5, Georg
Adam4, Antonius3,
Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| 2 |
STROUP |
23426 |
T7TGS |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
28 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
20 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt6, Roland Virgil5,
Henry
Burdett4, Henry3,
Samuel2,
George1 |
| STRAUB |
75122 |
|
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
21 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
|
|
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
16 |
8 |
13 |
26 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt5, Harold
Henry4, Samuel3,
John
Jr.2,
John
Sr.1 |
| STROUPE |
133507 |
KSRGY |
14 |
22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
12 |
15 |
11 |
10 |
19 |
21 |
14 |
14 |
15 |
21 |
35 |
35 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
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12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
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15 |
8 |
13 |
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11 |
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10 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
Pvt5, Pvt4, Russell
B.3, Aaron2,
Elisha1
— presumed descendant of Joh.
Jacob
I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| 3 |
BARNES |
119218 |
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22 |
15 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
13 |
11 |
29 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
22 |
16 |
19 |
29 |
12 |
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21 |
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15 |
21 |
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35 |
12 |
10 |
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8 |
15 |
15 |
8 |
11 |
10 |
8 |
9 |
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12 |
22 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
8 |
13 |
25 |
20 |
14 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
10 |
12 |
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11 |
Miles Raymond11, Myles
Raymond10 STROUP-BARNES,
Robert
Daniel9, George
W.8, Daniel
S.7, Peter6,
Adam5,
Joh.
Peter II4, Joh.
Peter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| ? |
STROUPE |
122322 |
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15 |
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13 |
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11 |
16 |
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Pvt10, Pvt9,
Jasper
Daniel8, Daniel
Jasper7, George6,
Jacob5,
Joh.
Pieter II4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| CRUMP |
138239 |
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Pvt3, Richard Lexington2,
William
Waitsel1 PRESTWOOD-CRUMP
— presumed descendant of Joh.
Jacob
I4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| The BARNES has what appears to be a genetic distance of four, but it's
actually three because any mutation in DYS389i is reflected in DYS389ii,
so the differences in those markers represent one mutation event, not two. |
| #133507 has two additional copies of DYS464. This is a rare condition,
with only about 1.5% of people tested having more than four copies at this
location. FTDNA scores this difference as a Genetic Distance of two
from the modal haplotype, but it's entirely possibly that the two additional
copies appeared in one mutation event (by duplication of the 12 allele
and one of the 15 alleles). The testing of cousins could prove whether
this condition is the result of one mutation event or two, but it is most
likely one. |
| The three cells highlighted in orange pose a challenge for interpreting
the results in view of what are believed to be the relationships between
these individuals. If only #111298, the STRAUB still living in Wuerttemberg
and descended from Antonius, brother of Johann Pieter, had this value,
there would be no quandry. We could simply assume his value of 20
at DYS570 stems from a mutation between Antonius and the test subject.
Even the matching value for #23426 is not a serious problem, because we
can postulate that Antonius had the ancestral haplotype, and Johann Pieter
is the one with the mutation (from 20 to 21), and that George must descend
from some other member of this family who immigrated to the U.S., not Johann
Pieter. It's #116645 that poses the problem because he has a paper
connection to Johann Pieter, yet possesses a value of 20 at DYS570.
To maintain the existing paper connections, we have to accept that the
same mutation happened independently three times in the same family in
only a dozen generations, the probability of which is low, even if we take
into account that DYS570 is one of the fasted mutating markers. The
issue could be resolved if #23426 and #116645 would max out their markers.
I discuss this problem further on the Node
Chart for the Descendants of Martin STRAUB. |
| Results for descendants of Jacob STROUP I (1722-1804/5) of Lincoln
[now Gaston] Co., NC, purported grandson of Matthias STROOP, the 1687 immigrant
from Westphalia to Maryland, were unexpected because, as you can see above,
they are a tight match (66/67 and 67/67) for the descendants of Johann
Pieter STRAUB I of Pennsylvania. These two are a decided non-match
with
the
descendants of Jacob STROUP II (1771-1846) of NC, who are Haplogroup
J2.
Being in different haplogroups means these I1 and J2 individuals cannot
have shared a common ancestor for thousands of years, which means
Jacob STROUP II cannot be a grandson of Jacob STROUP I as formerly believed.
These results resurrect and support the assertion that Jacob
STROUP I of NC is the missing son, Johann Jacob STRAUB, who immigrated
to Philadelphia in 1733 with his father, Johann Pieter STRAUB I. |
| Results for #75122 were also unexpected because he is not a match with
the other paper descendant of John STRAUB, Sr., of Beaver Township (see
Haplogroup
I1-Norse-D, #24343, below). Because #75122 descends through John Jr.,
whose paper connection to John Sr. is essentially unassailable, it appears
(for that and other reasons) that #24343 is the one with the bad connection
to John Sr. For more discussion on the matter, please see John
Sr.'s family group sheet. |
| #133507 was originally tested at Ancestry-DNA and has now been re-tested
at FTDNA. He is a descendant of Elisha STROUP, whom I have long contended
could not be a son of Jacob STROUP II as shown by most sources (all secondary).
My reasoning had been that Jacob II's wife at the time Elisha was born
was simply too old to be bearing children. The DNA test results support
this contention because Elisha's descendant is Haplogroup I1 and matches
this family, while Jacob STROUP II's descendants are Haplogroup J2.
People in different haplogroups cannot have shared a common ancestor for
thousands
of years. I implore everyone considering being tested to do so with
FTDNA, from the start; otherwise, you will likely end up having to do what
this individual has had to do, that is, having to pay for being tested
twice.
If you have any intention of eventually joining this project, it's invariably
going to end up being false economy to get tested elsewhere, first. |
| Another unexpected result is the match with #97358, surnamed BELEW.
The match is 67/67 leaving no doubt that he is closely related to the other
individuals in this table. It does appear this individual has an
NPE in his lineage, and it's not insignificant that, for decades, the BELEWs
lived in close association with the STROUPs of
Jefferson
Co., MO. |
| A further unexpected result is the match with #50052,
surnamed CRUMP, who apparently has an NPE in his lineage. Some further
testing of cousins is needed to pinpoint the STROUP in his patrilineal
line. His father haas been tested (#138239), and he, too, is a STROUP. |
| Results for #130123 support the contention of early researchers that
the John Peter STROUP of Wythe Co., VA, is a member of this family,
though is possibly not connected to it in the way envisioned (see next
entry). Two other paper descendants of John Peter have been tested,
and each has an NPE in his lineage (see Node
Chart for John Peter). |
| #138214 shares a mutation with the above #130123 (red table cells).
The problem is, either we again have a situation where we have to postulate
that the same mutation happened more than once in a few generatons, or
there is something wrong with their paper genealogy. The latter is
far more probable. |
Three of the above individuals have been deep SNP tested, namely, #26156,
#23492, and #24212; and, as expected, they all had the same results:
| P19+ M170+ M258+ P30+ P38+ M253+ M307+ |
M21- M72- M227- |
P37.2- M26- M161- M223- |
The positive SNP tests prove they are I1 (see
I1 table). The negative results for M21, M72, and M227 rule out
their belonging to any known subclade of I1, which means, based on the
current haplogroup tree, they are root/ancestral I1*. The remaining
negative results rule out their being any form of I2 (see
I2 table).
With two separate lines now deep SNP tested (one line redundantly, in
the case of the two brothers), the probability that the remaining descendants
of Johann Pieter will have the same SNP test results is a virtual certainty.
Also, keep in mind that an STR value of 8 at DYS455 makes being Haplogroup
I1 a virtual certainty. Therefore, your project admin recommends
that other members of this family invest in testing advanced STR markers,
rather than SNP testing. |
#23492 has been ordering advanced Haplogroup I SNPs as they become
available from EthnoAncestry:
| S62+ S63+ S64+ S65+ S66+ |
S107+ S108+ S109+ S110+ S111+ |
P40+ |
P109- P259- |
So far, the ten S-series SNPs have simply proven to be redundant for determining
I1, (see
table above). Our subject is negative (ancestral) for P109 and
P259, so he remains root I1*. Being negative (ancestral) for the
last two is, so far, correlated with being one of the AngloSaxon varieties
of I1. |
As of Oct 2008, the "Deep-Clade-I" test at FTDNA consists of a different
suite of SNPs than those tested above. The CRUMP (#50052) has undergone
these tests:
| P30+ M253+ |
M21- M227- |
P109- P259- |
The positive SNPs prove he is I1; the negative SNPs prove he is no known
subclade of I1, confirming he, too, is root/ancestral I1*. |
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| Because we have four different lines in this family matching 67/67,
we need to find more markers to separate them. With the purchase
of DNA-Fingerprint (in July of 2006), Family Tree DNA began offering DNA-FP's
extensive suite of "advanced" DNA tests. Hopefully, some of these
markers will give us the separaton we need. In terms of determining
modality of markers, the two brothers should really be considered as one
indicator. So, given that their results are identical, I have lumped
the two brothers together in the "advanced" marker tables. |
Among the Y-DNA "Advanced Tests" offered by FTDNA
are the nine markers tested by SMGF (the Sorensen
Molecular Genealogy Foundation) that are not among the Standard 67
markers tested by FTDNA. SMGF has a huge online database, so when
choosing additonal markers to test, the logical first choice would be to
test these nine markers, especially as the SMGF database is the one most
relied upon by Nordtvedt in defining varieties of Haplogroup I. So
far, three of our members have opted for these nine tests:
| The Nine "Missing" SMGF Markers
from DNA-FP |
| Surname |
Kit # |
Ysearch
User ID |
4
6
1 |
4
6
2 |
A10
|
G
A
T
A |
C4
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6
3
5 |
GG
AA
T-
1B
07 |
4
4
1 |
4
4
5 |
4
5
2 |
4
6
3 |
| I1-AS5
Modal Values |
12 |
12 |
13 |
21 |
11 |
16 |
11 |
31 |
21 |
| STROUP |
78741 |
H5K5T |
12 |
13 |
14 |
21 |
11 |
16 |
9 |
31 |
21 |
STRAUB
brothers |
26156
23492 |
BUHB7
EJJQA |
12 |
13 |
14 |
21 |
11 |
16 |
9 |
31 |
21 |
| STRAUB |
111298 |
47F2N |
12 |
13 |
14 |
21 |
11 |
16 |
9 |
31 |
21 |
| STROUP |
133507 |
- |
12 |
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16 |
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21 |
The two brothers match, as expected, but so does #78741 and #111298, so
we didn't get the separation we were looking for. A check at Ysearch
and SMGF shows that they have no matches in either database for these nine
markers and that it's the value of 9 at DYS445 that's preventing them from
having any matches because this value is very rare. Overall, using
the SMGF database figures (as of July 2008), only 16 people out of 21,006
people tested (0.076%) are 9 at this marker. Within Haplogroup I1,
this family is unique in having a value of 9 at this marker. We also
have an unexpected value for DYS462.
There are two markers that strongly separate Nordtvedt's AngloSaxon
(AS) varieties from his Norse/ultraNorse (N/uN) varieties. These
are DYS511 and DYS462, which are 9,12 in AS and 10,13 in N/uN (I've color-coded
the table cells "kelly green" for AS and "royal blue" for N/uN).
What's interesting is that this STRAUB/STROUP family is typically AngloSaxon
for DYS511 (the column of 9's highlighted in kelly green in the main table
above), but typically Norse/ultraNorse for DYS462 (the column of 13's highlighted
royal blue in the small table here). |
EthnoAncestry (EA) tests ten STR markers formerly
not tested by any other laboratory; they are now offered by FTDNA among
their Advanced tests as "Y-STR DNA-FP Panel 9."
EthnoAncestry
"YSTR FT Upgrade" = FTDNA "Panel 9"
(Markers in red are fast mutating. Modals per Nordtvedt,
4 Aug 2007.) |
| Surname |
FTDNA # |
Ysearch
User ID |
4
9
4 |
5
0
5 |
5
2
2 |
5
3
3 |
5
4
9 |
5
5
6 |
5
7
5 |
5
8
9 |
6
3
6 |
6
3
8 |
| I1
modal values |
9 |
11 |
11 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
10 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
| STROUP |
78741 |
H5K5T |
9 |
11 |
11 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
10 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
STRAUB
brothers |
26156
23492 |
BUHB7
EJJQA |
9 |
11 |
11 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
10 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
| STRAUB |
111298 |
4752N |
9 |
11 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
10 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
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Legend for Colors:
| Pale
Blue |
Pale blue is the background color for this family in this table,
in the
Census
Tables, and elsewhere on this web site.
It is also the background color for the values of the modal haplotype
for AngloSaxon-5. |
| Light
Purple |
Characteristic marker values distinguishing this family
from modal AngloSaxon-5. |
| Kelly
Green |
Characteristic marker values distinguishing Anglo-Saxon from Norse
and ultraNorse. |
| Royal
Blue |
Characteristic marker values distinguishing Norse and ultraNorse from
AngloSaxon. |
| Bright
Blue |
A mutation distinguishing this person from others in the family, a.k.a.,
a "private" mutations. |
| Bright
Yellow |
A mutation distinguishing descendants of Adam5,
Joh.
Pieter II4, Joh.
Pieter I3, Hans
Adam2, Martin1 |
| Deep
Pink |
A mutation distinguishing the Wuerttemberg STRAUB from the American
STRAUBs. |
| Orange |
A mutation that remains unexplained because it is not congruent with
the paper genealogy. |
In an attempt to find a mutation separating them, these three members
have opted to take ten more Y-STR tests from the DNA-FP "Advanced" marker
panels at FTDNA. Modal values in the table below are calculated from
the
Ymatch
database at DNA-FingerPrint (as of 14 Dec 2007).
| Ten Y-STR DNA-FP Markers
from FTDNA |
| Surname |
Kit # |
Ysearch
User ID |
DXYS
156-Y |
4
3
4 |
4
3
5 |
4
8
5 |
4
9
5 |
6
4
3 |
7
1
4 |
7
1
6 |
7
1
7 |
7
2
6 |
| I1
Sample Size per Marker |
6 |
10 |
8 |
11 |
11 |
15 |
11 |
10 |
10 |
13 |
| I1
Modal Values |
12 |
9 |
11 |
12 |
17 |
12 |
24 |
27 |
19 |
12 |
| STROUP |
78741 |
H5K5T |
12 |
9 |
11 |
12 |
18 |
12 |
24 |
27 |
19 |
12 |
STRAUB
brothers |
26156
23492 |
BUHB7
EJJQA |
12 |
9 |
11 |
12 |
18 |
12 |
24 |
27 |
19 |
12 |
| STRAUB |
111298 |
4752N |
12 |
9 |
11 |
12 |
18 |
12 |
24 |
27 |
19 |
12 |
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The Y-STR DNA-FP Panel 5 Palindromic Pack from FTDNA returns values
for 33 markers (lower case letters designate specific nucleotides).
Nine of these tests are redundant from other panels (the table cells shaded
in grey), so the total number of "new" markers is actually 24. We
do, at last, have separation!
| Palindromic Pack from FTDNA |
| Surname |
Kit # |
Ysearch |
DYF
371X |
DYF
385 |
DYF
397 |
DYF
399X |
DYF
401 |
DYF
408 |
DYF
411 |
DYS
413 |
DYS
464X |
DYS
724 |
DYS
725 |
| I1
Modals compiled from Ymatch* |
10c |
12t |
13c |
14c |
10 |
10 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
14 |
22t |
24c |
25c |
16 |
17 |
188 |
188 |
9 |
13 |
13 |
13 |
23 |
25 |
- |
- |
- |
- |
35 |
37 |
30 |
32 |
32 |
32 |
| STROUP |
78741 |
H5K5T |
10c |
12t |
13c |
14c |
9 |
10 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
15 |
22t |
26c |
26c |
16 |
17 |
188 |
188 |
11 |
14 |
13 |
13 |
22 |
25 |
12g |
14g |
15g |
15g |
35 |
35 |
29 |
30 |
32 |
32 |
STRAUB
brothers |
26156
23492 |
BUHB7
EJJQA |
10c |
12t |
13c |
14c |
9 |
10 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
14 |
22t |
24c |
25c |
16 |
17 |
188 |
188 |
10 |
13 |
13 |
13 |
22 |
25 |
12g |
14g |
15g |
15g |
35 |
35 |
29 |
30 |
32 |
32 |
| STRAUB |
111298 |
4752N |
10c |
12t |
13c |
14c |
9 |
10 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
15 |
22t |
26c |
25c |
16 |
17 |
188 |
188 |
10 |
13 |
13 |
13 |
22 |
25 |
12g |
14g |
15g |
15g |
35 |
35 |
29 |
31 |
32 |
32 |
The redundant markers are: the 12t value for DYF371X,
which is the DYS425 value from Markers 38-67, plus the nucleotide designation;
DYS413, which is duplicated from Markers 38-67; DYS464X, which is duplicated
from Markers 13-25, but with the addition of the nucleotide designations,
so it's not really a redundant test; DYS724, which is duplicated from Markers
26-37 where it is designated CDYab.
In the case of DYF399X, the actual order of the three
alleles is not known. By convention, they are reported in alphanumeric
order. I have ordered them to have the least possible differences
between them, beginning with the modal haplotype as the base.
*The number of individuals who have tested these markers
is low, so the modals I've compiled are not statistically valid, but they're
all I've got. They are least meaningful for DYF399X, so they would
be worth recalculating at some point for this marker especially. |
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