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Genetic
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Surname |
Kit # |
Ysearch
UserID |
Haplotype
— as determined by STR testing |
Lineage |
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Markers 13-25 |
Markers 26-37 |
Markers 38-67 |
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9 |
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9 |
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5 |
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2 |
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6
5 |
| I2a-P37.2-Western
Modal Values |
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13 |
23 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
15 |
11 |
15 |
12 |
14 |
11 |
30 |
18 |
8 |
9 |
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26 |
14 |
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29 |
11 |
14 |
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10 |
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14 |
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20 |
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14 |
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10 |
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12 |
11 |
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Modal Values |
B2EU9 |
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12 |
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14 |
11 |
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18 |
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n=5 for 12 markers;
n=4 for 25 markers |
| 0 |
0 |
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ROSE |
5340 |
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13 |
23 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
15 |
11 |
15 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
30 |
18 |
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Pvt… Christopher (1858-
)2, Jonathan (c1820- )1 of NY and Luzerne Co., PA |
| 0 |
0 |
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ROSE |
10478 |
YM6ER |
13 |
23 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
15 |
11 |
15 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
30 |
18 |
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Pvt. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . William W. (1818- )3, |
William
II (1792- )2, |
William I (1764- )1 of NY |
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1 |
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ROSE |
9245 |
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23 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
15 |
11 |
15 |
11 |
15 |
11 |
31 |
18 |
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Pvt. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Charles (1873- )4, John W. (1832- )3, |
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ROSE |
62881 |
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23 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
15 |
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15 |
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Pvt. . . John W. (1890- )5,
William (1865- )4, John (1831- )3, |
John (1808- )2, |
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3 |
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ROSE |
41088 |
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23 |
15 |
10 |
12 |
15 |
11 |
15 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
30 |
18 |
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Pvt… Vincent F. (1845-
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| Jim Cullen's World
Haplogroup & Haplo-I Subclade Predictor gives this probability
for his subclade: I-P37.2*-West =>100%. These subclades
are based on the research of Ken Nordtvedt on Haplogroup I (see
this table). |
| Despite this family's modal haplotype being close to the I1a-P37.2-Western
modal haplotype, their particular haplotype apparently remains uncommon.
At Ysearch, the only 25/25 match with the modal haplotype for the family
was with YM6ER. At SMGF, their haplotypes had no close matches in
surname ROSE, at all. |
| It's entirely possible that #41088 is not a member of this group.
You just can't tell at 25 markers. I recommend that everyone is this
group upgrade to 37 markers, preferabley 67, so we have a better basis
for assessing the relationships here. |
| Any change in DYS389i is reflected in 389ii, so the change from 14/30
to 15/31 at DYS389i/ii is treated as a single mutation event and counts
as a genetic distance of only one, not two. |
| We have an anomaly here in that we have three individuals (names highlighed
in orange) claiming a descent from William ROSE I (1764- ) [please scroll
to the right to see their lineages], but only two of them share the mutation
at DYS389i. Logically, for both #9245 and #62881 to have the mutation
at DYS389i, William I must have possessed the mutation, however that would
mean, again logically, #10478 should have the mutation, too, and he doesn't.
The most obvious solution is that one of them has an error in his paper
genealogy, but there is also the (remote) possibility that the mutation
occurred twice.
It is ultimately important that everyone who has a mutation away from
the family's modal haplotype test cousins until the location of their mutation
is determined, and it is very important in this case to resolve the anomaly. |
Data Sources:
"Rose Family DNA Project Results — to November 10, 2008."
Rose
Family Bulletin (Dec 2008: 5304).
Ysearch.; SMGF;
ROSE
Family DNA Project; ROSE-DNA
Mailing List; email. |
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