R1b Y-DNA Test Results for Surname BIDDLE

Results of Y-chromosome DNA Testing for the BIDDLE Surname Project
including Similar Surnames, such as, BIDDALL, BIDDELL, BIDDLES, BIDELL, BIDELLE, BIDLE, BITTLE, BITTLES, BUDDELL, etc.
Haplogroup R1b1b2 (old R1b1c)

Haplogroup R1b1b2 (old R1b1c) is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in western Europe. It is the group believed to have re-populated Europe from an Iberian refugium when the last glacial ice sheet retreated about 10-12,000 years ago.

Some project members will find they have a WAMH logo on their member page. WAMH is an acronym standing for Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype. Having a WAMH logo on your member page at FTDNA indicates you have one of the four most common 12-marker haplotypes in western Europe.

R1b1b2 individuals, especially WAMH individuals, will find they have many genealogically insignificant matches (in other surnames) at low levels (12 or 25 markers). R1b's need to test at least 37 markers to gain separation from these insignificant matches; and, ultimately, most will have to test 67 markers to be confident of their relationships.

In the table below, darkened empty cells indicate a test was not taken. R1b modal values per David Wilson (2008).

Surname

Kit #

Ysearch
UserID

Haplogroup

Haplotype — as determined by STR testing

FTDNA Markers 1-12

FTDNA Markers 13-25

FTDNA Markers 26-37

FTDNA Markers 38-67

DNA-Heritage Markers

3
9
3

3
9
0

19
/
3
9
4

3
9
1

a
|
3
8
5

b
|
3
8
5

4
2
6

3
8
8

4
3
9

i
|
3
8
9

3
9
2

ii
|
3
8
9

4
5
8

a
|
4
5
9

b
|
4
5
9

4
5
5

4
5
4

4
4
7

4
3
7

4
4
8

4
4
9

a
|
4
6
4

b
|
4
6
4

c
|
4
6
4

4
6
4
d

4
6
0

H4
|
G
A
T
A

IIa
|
Y
C
A

IIb
|
Y
C
A

4
5
6

6
0
7

5
7
6

5
7
0

a
|
C
D
Y

b
|
C
D
Y

4
4
2

4
3
8

5
3
1

5
7
8

a
|
S1
3
9
5

b
|
S1
3
9
5

5
9
0

5
3
7

6
4
1

4
7
2

S1
4
0
6

5
1
1

4
2
5

a
|
4
1
3

b
|
4
1
3

5
5
7

5
9
4

4
3
6

4
9
0

5
3
4

4
5
0

4
4
4

4
8
1

5
2
0

4
4
6

6
1
7

5
6
8

4
8
7

5
7
2

6
4
0

4
9
2

5
6
5

4
6
1

4
6
2

A10
|
G
A
T
A

6
3
5

1B07
|
G
A
A
T

4
4
1

4
4
5

4
5
2

4
6
3

C7BED

R1b Modal Values

BUDDELL

FTDNA #108870

R1b1b2-WAMH Deme-1

BIDDLE

FTDNA #116772

R1b1b2-WAMH Deme-2

BEDELL

FTDNA #120610

BEDELL

FTDNA #122689

BIDDLE

DNA-H #JD3FJQ7

TU6GH

R1b1b2-WAMH Deme-3

BITTLES

FTDNA #114164

R1b1b2

Only three of these six test subjects are closely related: the three labeled, "R1b1b2-WAMH Deme-2." The rest are not closely related to these three or to each other.

Five of these individuals were tested at FamilyTreeDNA, while a sixth was tested at DNA-Heritage. While the two companies test a different suite of markers, at least some of them are comparable using the specified conversion factors. To bring all their markers into compliance, the DNA-H individual can join the FTDNA project by purchasing the available conversion package, while the FTDNA individuals can add the DNH-H markers to their testing from among the "advanced" tests offered by FTDNA. Filling out the missing markers is not important, now, but may become so as the number of individuals tested increases and they start having matches.

The BUDDELL has a 35/37 match with a BUDDLE in the FTDNA database, one who is not a member of this project. If that BUDDLE is reading this page, the project admin would like to invite you to join the BIDDLE project and share your lineage.

Two of the Deme-2 individuals have a paper descent from Robert BEDELL of Essex, and a third has a paper descent from Stephen BEDELL of Long Island, NY. Their closely matching (66/67) test results strongly support that they do, indeed, have a near common ancestor. Their haplotype closely resemble the R1b modal haplotype, so they have hundreds of 12/12 and 25/25 matches in the FTDNA database (all in other surnames), but no full matches at 37, much less 67 markers. These results underscore the importance of R1b's testing minimally 37 markers.

The project admin would like to encourage this individual to officially join the BIDDLE project so as to fill out his markers and be fully comparable to the others.

The BITTLES has over 50 matches at 12 markers (in other surnames), but only near matches at 25 markers (23/25 and 24/25, in other surnames). Because he has no full matches at 25 markers, there is currently no pressing need to upgrade to more markers. The project admin does, however, recommend upgrading to at least 37 markers because, eventually, additional markers will be needed to gain separation from distant kin (i.e., those not related in "genealogical" time).

The project admin encourages the FTDNA test subjects to also join Ysearch, to increase their prospects of making a match and to assist researchers on Haplogroup R1b. You can join by going to your FTDNA member page and, from your "Y-DNA Matches" tab, clicking the upload to Ysearch link. You are also encouraged to join the R1b Haplogroup Project, which you can also do from your FTDNA member page by clicking the blue Join icon and choosing the R1b project.

Return to Project Home Page. Go to Lineage Database.

What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers: 8 or less is a non-relative; 9-10 means only a small chance of a relationship; 11-12 means a possible relationship.
For 25 markers: 20 or less is a non-relative; 21-22 means only a small chance of a relationship; 23-25 means a possible relationship.
For 37 markers: 30 or less is a non-relative; 31-37, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 67 markers: 55 or less is a non-relative; 58-67, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For any test: 0 matching markers, please contact NASA.

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