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Lineages and Results of Y-DNA Testing for STRAUB, TRAUB, STRAUBE, STROOP, STRUB,
and Variations, especially STROUP, STROUPE, TROUP, TROUPE, etc.
Haplogroup I1
Results
Hub		 Y-DNA Haplogroups Represented in the Project
(number tested at FTDNA + number tested elsewhere / number of different progenitors)		 Project
Home
E (1 / 1)  I1  (4 / 3) I1-AS5 (23 / 1)  I2  (5+1 / 4) J2 (4 / 2) R1a (2 / 1) R1b (14 / 12) T (1 / 1)
Haplogroup I is the second most common haplogroup in western Europe, next to R1b.  Overall, Haplogroup I has a broad European distribution, from Scandinavia and the British Isles east to the Ural Mountains of Russia and south to Anatolia and the Mediterranean Sea, but Haplogroup I1 is highly concentrated in northern Germany, Denmark, and southern Norway and Sweden, which has led it to be nicknamed, the "Viking" haplogroup (though some consider R1a to be the only true Viking haplogroup).

The most common subclade of I is I1.  Subclades of I1 are rare to the point of not being genealogically useful, but no other SNPs subdivide the otherwise large I1 group.

In lieu of useful SNPs (the search for which is ongoing), varieties of I1 have been defined by Nordtvedt based on STR haplotypes.  A modal haplotype for all of I1 would not be meaningful because the various varieties of I1 have not shared a common ancestor for thousands of years, but key markers do unify the subclade (highlighted in red in the table).  Among European haplotypes, DYS455=8 is virtually exclusive to I1; and YCAIIa,b=19,21 is universal to it.  DYS511 has proven to be a useful marker for separating AngloSaxon and Norse/ultraNorse varieties of I1, it's value being 9 for the former and 10 for the latter.  DYS462 is also useful for separating AngloSaxon vs. Norse/ultraNorse, being 12 in the former and 13 in the latter, though this marker is not part of FTDNA's 67-marker set, so has to be tested "a la carte" at FTDNA or elsewhere.

So far, our 27 Haplogroup I1 project members fall into two subclades and four varieties,
each apparently representing descendants of a single progenitor.
Because this Haplogroup I1 page became so large, the I1-AngloSaxon-5 variety has been moved to its own page.

I1 = I-M253 = I-P30 I1d = I-L22
I1-AngloSaxon-5
(n = 23)		 I1-AngloSaxon-6
(n = 1)		 I1-AngloSaxon-9a
(n = 1)		 I1d-Norse-D
(n = 2)
Ken Nordtvedt is the guru researching Hg I subclades (see his Excel spreadsheet).  For a table showing modal haplotypes for Hg I varieties in FamilyTreeDNA marker order, please also see my HTML transcription of Nordtvedt's spreadsheet.
Y-DNA Haplogroup I1 SNPs and Subclades
Nordtvedt Chart ISOGG Chart FTDNA Chart
Subclade Defining SNPs Subclade Defining SNPs Subclade Defining SNPs
I M170 M258 P19 P38 rs17249889 I M170 M258 P19 P38 P212 U179 I M170 M258 P19 P38 P212 U179
 
I1 all of I1 and
M253 M307 P30 P40
S62-S66 S107-S111
rs35960273 rs3906451 Chr17557999		 I1 all of I and
M253 M307.1=P203.1 M450=S109
P30 P40 S62 S63 S64 S65 S66
S107 S108 S109 S110 S111		 I1 all of I and
M253 M307 M450 P30 P40
I1a   I1a all of I1 and M21 (probably private) I1a all of I1 and M21
I1b all of I1 and M227 I1b all of I1 and M227 I1b all of I1 and M227
I1b1 all of I1b and M72  I1b1 all of I1b and M72 I1b1 all of I1b and M72
    I1c all of I1 and P259 (probably private) I1c all of I1 and P259
I1c all of I1 and L22=S142 I1d all of I1 and L22=S142 I1d all of I1 and L22
I1c1 all of I1c and P109 I1d1 all of I1d and P109 I1d1 all of I1d and P109
    I1e all of I1 and S79 (probably private)    
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Red labels indicate markers that typically mutate more frequently than those labeled in black.
(Empty cells that are darkened indicate tests not ordered.)
I1-AngloSaxon = I-M253
I1-AngloSaxon is the most common form of I1.  It is most frequent in the Netherlands, northwestern Germany, and Denmark and is present at lower frequencies in eastern and southern Germany, southern Sweden, and the British Isles.  The most common form of I1-AS is AS1.  AS 5, 6, and 7E are uncommon.
 
I1-AngloSaxon-6
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
User ID
SNP
Tests		 Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
3
9
3		 3
9
0
19
/
3
9
4		 3
9
1		 a
|
3
8
5		 b
|
3
8
5		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 i
|
3
8
9		 3
9
2		 ii
|
3
8
9		 4
5
8		 a
|
4
5
9		 b
|
4
5
9		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9
a
|
4
6
4		 b
|
4
6
4		 c
|
4
6
4		 d
|
4
6
4		 4
6
0		 H4
|
G
A
T
A		 IIa
|
Y
C
A		 IIb
|
Y
C
A		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 a
|
C
D
Y		 b
|
C
D
Y		 4
4
2		 4
3
8		 5
3
1		 5
7
8		 a
|
S1
3
9
5		 b
|
S1
3
9
5		 5
9
0		 5
3
7		 6
4
1		 4
7
2		 S1
4
0
6		 5
1
1		 4
2
5		 a
|
4
1
3		 b
|
4
1
3		 5
5
7		 5
9
4		 4
3
6		 4
9
0		 5
3
4		 4
5
0		 4
4
4		 4
8
1		 5
2
0		 4
4
6		 6
1
7		 5
6
8		 4
8
7		 5
7
2		 6
4
0		 4
9
2		 5
6
Modals values for I1-AngloSaxon-6 14 22 14 10 13 13 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 22 16 20 28 12 14 15 15 10 10 19 21 14 13         12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 9 9 12   25   10 12 12   8 13 25 19 13 13 11 12 11 11 12 11 as per Nordvedt; key markers highlighted
                 
STRAUB 59157     14 22 14 10 13 13 11 14 12 12 11 28                                                                                                               Pvt7, Pvt6, Harry Jacob5, David Norman4, William3, John II2, John I1 — of Schuylkill Co., PA
#59157 has a rare haplotype.  As of July 2008, he has only two 12/12 matches in the FTDNA database, five 12/12 matches at Ysearch, and one 11/11 match in the SMGF database, all in other surnames, most commonly BUDWIG.  Your project admin recommends upgrading to more more markers to make certain he is not a BUDWIG.  He has only an 8/12 match with the descendants of Johann Pieter (above), so despite both being I1-AngloSaxon, they wouldn't be expected to have had a recent common ancestor.
If everyone in the U.S. who eventually matches our subject also turns out to be a paper descendant of John1, we will have our answer that he is the immigrant, explaining why we have not found parents for him in Pennsylvania.
 		    
 
I1-AngloSaxon-9a
To view the subject's lineage, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # YSearch
User ID
SNP
Tests		 Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
3
9
3		 3
9
0
19
/
3
9
4		 3
9
1		 a
|
3
8
5		 b
|
3
8
5		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 i
|
3
8
9		 3
9
2		 ii
|
3
8
9		 4
5
8		 a
|
4
5
9		 b
|
4
5
9		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9		 a
|
4
6
4		 b
|
4
6
4		 c
|
4
6
4		 d
|
4
6
4		 4
6
0		 H4
|
G
A
T
A		 IIa
|
Y
C
A		 IIb
|
Y
C
A		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 a
|
C
D
Y		 b
|
C
D
Y		 4
4
2		 4
3
8		 5
3
1		 5
7
8		 a
|
S1
3
9
5		 b
|
S1
3
9
5		 5
9
0		 5
3
7		 6
4
1		 4
7
2		 S1
4
0
6		 5
1
1		 4
2
5		 a
|
4
1
3		 b
|
4
1
3		 5
5
7		 5
9
4		 4
3
6		 4
9
0		 5
3
4		 4
5
0		 4
4
4		 4
8
1		 5
2
0		 4
4
6		 6
1
7		 5
6
8		 4
8
7		 5
7
2		 6
4
0		 4
9
2		 5
6
5
I1-M253-AS9a Modal Values 13 22 15 10 13 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 29 12 14 15 15 10 10 19 21 14 14         11 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8  9 9 12 22 24 15 10 12 12 16 8 13 25 20 13 13 11 12 11 11 12 11 Modals as per Nordtvedt (key markers highlighted in yellow)
                 
TROUP 146724     13 22 15 10 14 15 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 28 12 14 14 15 10 10 19 21 14 14 16 21 35 37 12 11                                                             Pvt5, Pvt4, Robert William3, Daniel2, Jacob1 TROUP of Armstrong Co., PA
This individual has a handful of low-level matches in the FTDNA database, but none in surname TROUP (or variation).
Entering these results into Jim Cullen's haplogroup predictor yields these probabilities:
I-M253-AS9a =>26%  I-L22-uN2 =>16%  I-L22-NuN-14 =>13%  I-L22-uN1 =>13%  I-M253-AS4 =>12%  I-L22-N =>5%  I-M253-ASgen =>4%  I-L22-uN2a =>3%  I-L22-Bothnia =>3%  I-M253-AS7E =>2%  I-M253-AS10 =>2%  I-M253-uN-1315 =>2% 
   
I1d-Norse-D = I-L22
I1d-Norse is the most common I1 subclade in Sweden and Finland and is the second most common subclade in Norway and Denmark (the "D" variety possibly leans toward the Danish side). 
To view the subjects' lineages, please scroll to the right.
Surname Kit # Ysearch
User ID
Most
Downstream
Positive
SNP
Actually
Tested		 Haplotype — as determined by STR testing Known Lineage
Markers 1-12 Markers 13-25 Markers 26-37 Markers 38-67
3
9
3		 3
9
0
19
/
3
9
4		 3
9
1		 a
|
3
8
5		 b
|
3
8
5		 4
2
6		 3
8
8		 4
3
9		 i
|
3
8
9		 3
9
2		 ii
|
3
8
9		 4
5
8		 a
|
4
5
9		 b
|
4
5
9		 4
5
5		 4
5
4		 4
4
7		 4
3
7		 4
4
8		 4
4
9
a
|
4
6
4		 b
|
4
6
4		 c
|
4
6
4		 d
|
4
6
4		 4
6
0		 H4
|
G
A
T
A		 IIa
|
Y
C
A		 IIb
|
Y
C
A		 4
5
6		 6
0
7		 5
7
6		 5
7
0		 a
|
C
D
Y		 b
|
C
D
Y		 4
4
2		 4
3
8		 5
3
1		 5
7
8		 a
|
S1
3
9
5		 b
|
S1
3
9
5		 5
9
0		 5
3
7		 6
4
1		 4
7
2		 S1
4
0
6		 5
1
1		 4
2
5		 a
|
4
1
3		 b
|
4
1
3		 5
5
7		 5
9
4		 4
3
6		 4
9
0		 5
3
4		 4
5
0		 4
4
4		 4
8
1		 5
2
0		 4
4
6		 6
1
7		 5
6
8		 4
8
7		 5
7
2		 6
4
0		 4
9
2		 5
6
5
Modal values for I1d-Norse-D 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 12 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 28 12 14 15 16 10 10 19 21 14 14         12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 9 10 12 23 25 15 10 12 12 16 8 13 25 19 13 13 11 12 11 11 12 11 as per Nordtvedt; key markers highlighted
           
STRAUB1 24343 J7NGZ M253 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 12 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 21 29 12 13 14 15 11 10 19 21 14 14 17 20 36 36 11 10                                                             Pvt4, William Augustus3, Jonathan Francis2, Jonathan Francis STRAUB / STROUP1 — of Chapman Twp., Snyder Co., PA
TROUPE N47644 NQBM8   13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 12 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 21 29 12 13 14 15 11 10 19 21 14 14 17 20 36 36 11 10                                                             Pvt7, Pvt6, Stanley Quay5, Lewis Allen4, Peter3, Peter2, John Peter TRAUB / TROUP1 — of Perry Twp., Union [now Snyder] Co., PA
1deep-clade-I SNP tests pending (Batch 306: results expected 6/13).
The initial surprise here was that #24343 did not match the other purported descendant of John STRAUB, Sr., of Beaver Twp., Union [now Snyder] Co., PA (see Haplogroup I1-AS5, #75122).  As #75122 has a stronger paper connection to John Sr. (through John Jr.), it appears this individual (#24343) is the one with the bad connection, so I show his earlist known ancestor here as Jonathan Francis STRAUB/STROUP (not as the Jonathan who was son of John Sr.).
The second surprise is the 37/37 match with #N47644, a TROUPE with an origin also in Union [now Snyder] Co., PA.  The match may finally prove that, in at least this one case, there was a conversion between STRAUB/STROUP/STROUPE and TRAUB/TROUP/TROUPE, as has long been suspected might have happened.  The alternative is that we are looking at an NPE, a "non-paternal event" (i.e., a hidden adoption or illicit paternity) in the patrilineal line of one or the other of them.  In other words, these two paper genealogies may be correct, so what we're looking at is an NPE, not a conversion between TRAUB and STRAUB.
They have a modestly common haplotype with a few dozen low level matches in other surnames, but no full 37-marker match with anyone else, except each other.  They somewhat resemble Nordtvedt's Haplogroup I1-Norse-D, but the match is not tight, so I would look to see this haplotype possibly fall into a new variety, as yet to be defined.  Your project admin recommends both individuals upgrade to 67 markers to see whether their relationship remains this close or diverges.
Basic SNP test results of P19+ and M253+ prove #24343 is Haplogroup I1.  If he were deep SNP tested, his haplotype indicates the result would likely be L22+ (test pending).
   
What constitutes a match?
Matches in other surnames are usually mere coincidence, so please ignore them — I'll let you know when you shouldn't!
For 12 markers:  9 or less is a non-relative; 10-12, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 25 markers:  21 or less is a non-relative; 22-25, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 37 markers:  31 or less is a non-relative; 32-37, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For 67 markers:  55 or less is a non-relative; 56-67, please see this Chart compiled by FTDNA.
For any test:  0 matching markers, please contact NASA.
 
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